"Lost" Discussion

[prydain]

Since the other thread was getting full I decided to start a new one.

Tonight's ep is good so far, even though nothing is happening, lol.

[Velvet Sky]

Some spoilers included, if you haven't seen the episode that aired tonight.
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Watched tonight's episode... that dude they've got locked up was a bit with the creepy at the end. I'm like 'OOOO' *L*. Can't wait to see what happens next week. I really liked tonight's story with Sun & Jin. I really like them, so I like stories about them. And the last bit with them was really sweet. They are a really sweet couple. Loved the bit where Hurley runs into Sun when she's got the pregnancy test. That was just cutely funny. :)

[prydain]

Yeah this episode was really good...the show is finally as good as season one again, IMO.

[goldenboy]

I thought Sawyer reading Judy Blume was fairly hilarious, lol.

And Henry's an Other, or a complete freak. One of the two. We saw what seems to be a yellow balloon in the preview, so...

The interaction between Ana Lucia and Sayid was interesting. How Ana knows and accepts that she's completely hatable, lol. That she's almost always felt that way about herself...and Sayid forgives her...

[N4H]

A few too many chick-flick moments, and not enough reveals for me, but it was watchable. I'm getting a little frustrated with the way the previews keep making it seem you're going to see something of vital importance, then the episode airs, and you don't.

You know how this show has been on almost 2 seasons, but really they've only been on the island for a month? What does that mean in terms of Sun being pregnant? Does that mean if she actually carries the baby to term, she'll be pregnant on the show for 16 years?

[goldenboy]

Exactly what I was thinking, N4H. Sun will give birth, sometime around season, who-the-hell-knows? The second season has been less dynamic somehow.

JJ, get the hell away from Tom Cruise and come back to the folks who love your stuff! Show creators need to be show runners...

[prydain]

I don't really see how they could get around advertising the next episode like that and then have it to be so trivial but they've done it before...

I bet you anything Sun's gonna have a miscarriage, with one season being only 40 something days, that's the only possible option they have.

I'm hoping they'll pull an Alias eventually and jump forward at LEAST a few months. One month per year is just...strange.

[goldenboy]

An Alias stunt might happen I guess. Sun gets kidnapped (not very original, I know), wakes up in the middle of nowhere, unpregnant, with no memories, and presto: it's a year later, and where's the baby...

[prydain]

Well I think a more central character would be the one to be kidnapped - even though Sun is technically a "main" character, she's very minor...I would think it would be Kate or something if they DID go that route.

[goldenboy]

The interesting thing about Sydney's missing time is that it altered the show's dynamic, made her a lesser character for awhile—which is just odd, since the show was basically about her life, originally.

Wonder what's gonna happen with Locke and the hatch lockdown. Probably nothing, based on the history of ABC previews, lol.

[prydain]

Yeah, sometimes ABC's previews make me feel ripped off so I enjoy the show less. Even on the uneventful episodes, I enjoy them SO much more when I never see the previews. ABC advertises it to be this huge action thriller when it's really just a character drama.

As for Alias...even though Sydney's importance seemed lessened in the first 11 episodes of season three (after that is when we find out about her missing time, etc.) I still absolutely loved that season. We got to see a lot of Lauren (Melissa George) and both Vaughn and Weiss were developed further, and I really liked those characters so I didn't mind.

[goldenboy]

I'm on Alias season 1 right now again. Forgot how addictive it was! I've been watching eps 3 and 4 at a time, yikes...

Lost kind of feels like it has settled into a routine somehow. A holding pattern. Maybe I'm just more obsessed with the show now, more anxious. The characters make the show, to be sure. But I want more plot.

[prydain]

I started watching my Alias season 1 box set again recently after not having watched it since October and I ended up finishing it in three days, and I bought the season two box set that weekend. Something came up so I stopped watching and I haven't watched in close to five days now but I'm nearly halfway through it.

I actually think Lost is starting to come together again...listening to those podcasts, picking up things I didn't catch before...and by season's end we'll know why the plane crashed, at least. The writers are just biding their time, I think.

At least JJ is coming back to the show next year.

[N4H]

Drew Goddard (best writer in television:rolleyes: ) is coming also. That can't hurt.

[prydain]

Never heard of him.

[teentitan]

My wife has said it before and it deserves being said again these people are on the island of coinkadink and anything is possible. Even when a sterile guy knocks up his wife...at least I hope it's Jin and not her English teacher.
I sorta like the slow pace this year because now we are getting more into the characters and the fragile nature of the relationships. Can anyone else hear the ticking in the room when Jack and Locke are talking?
And the best part of last night's epi was Bernard's wife busting his chops for forgetting her birthday! Take note fella's women expect something no matter what has happened. Only excuse's a man can use for missing his wife's bday or anniversary is a coma or you die. I had shingles one year and I still managed to get her flowers. She said she did not expect anything but did I ever get huge bonus points for that one guys.

[prydain]

The thing I'm interested in is seeing them build a society and how they interact while trying to do that, etc.

I love the character relationships too but Alias there is an amazing amount of characterization while the plot chugs along at high speed...I think JJ just knows how to mix the two better.

[teentitan]

The thing I'm interested in is seeing them build a society and how they interact while trying to do that, etc.

I love the character relationships too but Alias there is an amazing amount of characterization while the plot chugs along at high speed...I think JJ just knows how to mix the two better.

Can't agree with you here. Alias spy show. Lost plane crash on island middle of nowhere. If there was ever two polar opposite shows these are it.

[N4H]

Never heard of him.

Drew Goddard - sometimes known as the ultimate Drew - has been involved with some of the most talked about episodes of Genre TV of the last few years, either as a writer or producer. He's young. He's an up and comer.

Producer - filmography

1. "Alias"
- S.O.S. (2006) TV Episode (producer) (2005-)
- The Horizon (2005) TV Episode (producer) (2005-)
- Bob (2005) TV Episode (producer) (2005-)
- Fait Accompli (2005) TV Episode (producer) (2005-)
- Solo (2005) TV Episode (producer) (2005-)
(27 more)

Filmography as: Producer, Writer, Miscellaneous Crew, Actor, Himself

Writer - filmography

1. "Alias" (staff writer) (2005-2006)
- Mockingbird (2005) TV Episode (writer)
- Tuesday (2005) TV Episode (writer)
- Welcome to Liberty Village (2005) TV Episode (writer)

2. "Lost"
- Outlaws (2005) TV Episode (writer)

3. "Angel" (1999/I) TV Series (staff writer) (2003-2004) (writer) (episode 5.07 "Lineage") (writer) (episode 5.11 "Damage") (writer) (episode 5.13 "Why We Fight") (writer) (episode 5.18 "Origin") (writer) (episode 5.20 "Girl in Question, The")
... aka Angel: The Series (USA)

4. "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" (staff writer) (2002-2003)
- Dirty Girls (2003) TV Episode (writer)
- Lies My Parents Told Me (2003) TV Episode (writer)
- Never Leave Me (2002) TV Episode (writer)
- Conversations with Dead People (2002) TV Episode (writer)
- Selfless (2002) TV Episode (writer)

Filmography as: Producer, Writer, Miscellaneous Crew, Actor, Himself

Miscellaneous Crew - filmography

1. "Angel" (1999/I) TV Series (executive story editor) (2003-2004)
... aka Angel: The Series (USA)


IMDB.com

[prydain]

Can't agree with you here. Alias spy show. Lost plane crash on island middle of nowhere. If there was ever two polar opposite shows these are it.

You're not understanding my point. I don't expect Lost to have Alias-style action, but Lost COULD have lots of exciting stuff and action scenes if it wanted to.

[teentitan]

You're not understanding my point. I don't expect Lost to have Alias-style action, but Lost COULD have lots of exciting stuff and action scenes if it wanted to.

Yes you are right they could have lots of exciting stuff which I think is going to happen. I just think that so far this season the writers are establishing the characters, cliques etc so that when the action does start there is a background story for when the action/exciting stuff starts and the people's reactions will make sense.
Because there is a lot of potential of how the characters are going to react to events that have happened this season but have not been talked about like, the magnetic wall in the hatch, Michael going after Walt, the black smoke and the really heavy religious scenes etc. when the show does start with the action.
I think the writers of Lost realized that constantly changing the storyline of Alias to keep the action thriving is what ruined the show. I understood and accepted changing the plot of Alias once but when they did it a 3rd time it got just to damn confusing.

[goldenboy]

In my mind, I keep coming back to something I heard on a making-of featurette of the Lost season 1 DVD—that they had mapped out some rough progression for the show, five seasons into the future. Seems like JJ was smart, wanting to avoid reboots....

[prydain]

JJ said he mapped out Alias too, at least with the major arcs...Rambaldi, etc.

And I strongly, strongly disagree about Alias...it was never "ruined" and today is still one of THE best shows on TV.

[goldenboy]

Man, this show really has a fixation with leg injuries. What do you suppose that schematic was—that Locke saw? I had the feeling that it was sort of a map of the entire island compound, not sure.

...I didn't recognize her, but apparently the woman whose home Locke had been inspecting was Nadia, Sayid's girl...

[prydain]

I didn't recognize her either. Gah I'll have to rewatch it.

This show makes me feel like an idiot because I don't even pick up on half the "clues" until either someone points them out or I watch it a second time.

[N4H]

Man, this show really has a fixation with leg injuries. What do you suppose that schematic was—that Locke saw? I had the feeling that it was sort of a map of the entire island compound, not sure.

It happened too fast. I could only make out the question mark at the center. It's bound to be posted somewhere on the internet though. I'm going to have a look around later.

Hey remember that Buffy episode where Giles said a question mark is actually the hieroglyphic for glocklestop. I know...lame...but it's all I can come up with at this point.

[goldenboy]

Well, I taped the show and froze the image of the schematic for a minute. It actually looks a little like the Dharma logo itself. It has an octagonal shape. The Dharma swan logo is supposed to be like a yin/yang symbol, right? Or maybe a horizontally reversed one, not sure...

The concept of yin and yang originates in ancient Chinese philosophy and metaphysics, which describes two primal opposing but complementary forces found in all things in the universe. Yin, the darker element, is passive, dark, feminine, downward-seeking, and corresponds to the night; yang, the brighter element, is active, light, masculine, upward-seeking and corresponds to the day. Yin is often symbolized by water, while yang is symbolized by fire.

Yin and yang are descriptions of complementary opposites rather than absolutes. Any yin/yang dichotomy can be seen as its opposite when viewed from another perspective. The categorisation is seen as one of convenience. Most forces in nature can be broken down into their respective yin and yang states, and the two are usually in movement rather than held in absolute stasis.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yin_and_yang

If you draw a circle around it, the negative space of a question mark sorta forms a yin/yang shape as well, right?

[N4H]

What are all those other symbols around the outside?

[N4H]

OK, here you go...

http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16660

It's a graphic he claims to have gotten from the producers. He claims it's a map.

[goldenboy]

See, now this is what I've been wondering—is the "monster" autonomous? Is it malfunctioning? Pretty cool site.

Cerberus appears to be one of their stations, but also the name of a DHARMA initiative "project". You can see where it says "Possible catastrophic malfunction of Cerberus system." My belief is that Cerberus is the name of Smokie, the Monster, and other elements of the security system, which took on a life of its own, and then "bit the hand that fed it."

Is the hatch where the question mark is? I can't get my bearings with this map...I see one area with the medical symbol. That's where Claire was being held, presumably.


Oh, OK. Now I think I get it. There's a section with the swan logo labeled "I Am Here". That's where the mapmaker apparently was. And probably right where "our" hatch is...

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/commentary/0,6115,1178384_3||1045714|1_0_,00.html

[N4H]

I don't know the answers, but there were a couple of things on last night's ep I think I got, but I want to double-check them to make sure.

OK, so what we first thought was a balloon is actually a parchute, right? Someone is parachuting food in, and they paradropped some food outside the hatch. Is that correct?

Henry Gale is actually a name on an African's passport. That suggests a connection to Mister Eko, right? Is this why Mr. Eko was behaving as if he forgave the guy masquerading as Henry Gale?

Oh and I also think that guy might be onto something by suggesting Smokie is Cerebus. You know how it killed the pilot, but let Locke and Mr. Eko go? It's like it was a guard dog who attacked or didn't depending on whether or not it smelled fear.

[goldenboy]

I hadn't caught the African connection...definitely need to watch again. That's an interesting thought about Eko. Why wouldn't he have told Jack or someone? Hmm. Eko can be as mysterious as the Others.

(edit) Here's an analysis from ent. weekly:

"Meanwhile, Ana Lucia, Sayid, and Charlie find Henry's balloon, along with what appears to be the grave of his wife. But all is not as it appears, of course, and — here's the climactic reveal — the body in the grave is a man's, not a woman's. The man has a driver's license. The driver's license belongs to one Henry Gale, an African American from Minnesota who looks not a thing like our Henry. The jig is up."

"Shortly after the lockdown, Kate and Jack run across what appears to be a food drop: a shipment of Dharma-labeled foodstuffs dropped by parachute from the wild blue yonder, in a manner that very much suggests the reward cheese dropped into a psychologist's rat maze. (See, Hurley? There was no reason to hoard ranch dressing after all. Just fulfill the terms of the experiment and more will be provided.) Clearly, the parachute wasn't there before: It's got a strobe light on it, easily identifying it as either a package for pickup or a very small disco. Either way, it wants to be found. But the question is, who takes the food to the Hatch? And how often? And whence does this bounty fall? Is there a plane? And if so, how high would it have to be flying to escape the Losties attention?"

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/commentary/0,6115,1178442_3||1045714|0_0_,00.html

Was there a balloon and also a parachute?

[Bored of the Dead]

Well, the monster to me, had always seemed Mechanical from what we know. The sound was a bit off, there was a chain like grating, even that black smokey feel, however the map insinuates some form of Animal Gene manipulation....a bit like The Island or Dr Moreau.
Reading this map, certain things have caught my eye.

For instance

Stated Goal, Repatriation accelertated de-territorialization of Ursus Martimum through gene therapy and extreme climate change

Now we know that Dharma brought the Polar Bears to the island. But this line suggests that the testing of these animals has something to do with relocation.
However the climate Change too, thats interesting.

Just had a thought about something thats probably way off, is this about Global Warming?
OR
Colonization of inhospitable areas.....nah, i know its not fun, and not at all in the realms of what we know, but it is fascinating to think its like a forced Bio-Dome like situation, changing Animals genetic make up to allow movement from one area to another....or maybe eventually move Humans somewhere else......funny now i've said it its bull crap

[N4H]

I heard an interesting one when I was snooping around that message board with the picture. Someone saying he thought the chief of the others is Locke's father.

[goldenboy]

You mean, maybe he's on the island, we just haven't seen him yet? That would be wild. Just how much of a con artist is his dad? Is it just the kidney deal and the life insurance scam? Did he have a profession? I can't remember...

[N4H]

No, the guy claims we have seen him on the island, but he's hard to make out. He posts pictures here

http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16751

but you have to register to see them.

[goldenboy]

Hmm. I dunno. Maybe. To me he looks more like President Logan from 24, lol. He's got a really angular, pointy nose, seems like. I'll have to dig into my tapes of this season...

[prydain]

Well going off on a tangent here, I wonder if we'll see Katey Segal again. I think she's great and I'd like to see her on the show again...

[goldenboy]

Maybe there will be flashback scenes of Locke stalking her or something. Wasn't he seen calling phone sex lines and talking to another "Helen"? Thought it was his first flashback ep...

[prydain]

Yep indeedy. Kinda creepy. But sad.

Maybe she's the reason he was in a wheelchair or something?

[N4H]

There's another theory I read that said Helen is working for Locke's father. Apparently she looks surprised to see Locke when she walks into the motel, or something, which would suggest she didn't follow him there, she was just dropping in.

[prydain]

Oh geez I hope that's not true. I don't want them to "pervert" that character in any way for some reason, she's too awesome.

And another thing that really pisses me off is when people imply anything negative about Rose. It REALLY makes me angry. She's like the only really good person left on the island.

[eponinethen]

And another thing that really pisses me off is when people imply anything negative about Rose. It REALLY makes me angry. She's like the only really good person left on the island.
I haven't actually heard people say anything bad about her but I do agree with you, I just want her to be the sweet woman she seems to be.

[teentitan]

OK finally got around to watching the show but my clocks were wrong and the show cut out the last few minutes. What did Sayid find when he dug the grave up? And was there anything after that?
The map looks like a complex underground bomb shelter of sorts to me. Almost military by design.

[prydain]

Sayid and the gang found the body of a black guy whose ID said "Henry Gale" so the prisoner in the hatch is not who he says he is.

[teentitan]

When Locke was playing with the speaker I could have sworn I heard his name being said, "John". Did anyone else hear anything in the speaker voice besides the countdown?
That website with the map is pretty weird it has Latin, dates, accidents etc. I paused the tape and the lines outside the perimeter of the octogon did not look like writing.
And I wish they would get around to the magnet behind the wall in the hatch already!

[prydain]

The TV Guide podcast (the latest one) talks about the map and translates the phrases, you could listen to it if you'd like to hear em. It's somewhere in the middle.

[teentitan]

Sooooo the magnetic wall, finally, is about to come into play? As he wrings his hands in glee over the anticipation.
Henry did say he heard the magnet kick in then a heavy clunking sound then everything reset. Then all of a sudden food shows up? I need the info on the magnetic wall dammit!
So what was the best part Hurley kicking Sawyer's butt while Jin was laughing about it? Or Hurley suggesting Libby kisses him one more time to make sure everything was real?

[Velvet Sky]

Tonight's episode was a total head trip! *L* And I mean that in the best way possible. Good stuff, I thought it was fun. Is it all in Hurley's head? Pretty weird... I think that'd be funny. But I'm sure even if it is, sort of, it's more complicated than that. That would even be too simple for this show.

And teentitan, both those moments were very cool. *L* :)

[goldenboy]

Yeah, I was thinkin for a split second that this is all in Hurley's head but...we've seen too many flashbacks of other people's memories. Would make no narrative sense.

It seemed as though Hurley's shrink had never confronted Hurley about his "friend" before the Polaroid. Why let the delusion persist, even encourage it? Is that a school of psychiatric thought? That seemed a little odd, like kind of a writer's stunt. But it was fun.

Is Libby really a shrink? Does she remember her time in the institution?

[goldenboy]

Hey, the shrink said Hurley went out on a deck with 23 people, designed for 8. Wish we could figure out the numbers...

[prydain]

I think the point of that conversation was to purely DISPROVE the theory many people have that one person is dreaming it all. That theory was always retarded but last night's episode made the writers' message all to clear.

I really really enjoyed the episode, is was extremely entertaining while not advancing the mythology too terribly much.

Yes, I think Libby remembers, because of the way she reacts when Hurley says she seems familiar to him.

[prydain]

Hehehe that was funny how when they got in the net Kate just said "...Sorry..." and then is sound effected its way to a commercial.

Now I understand what TV Guide meant when they said Rose and Locke had something in common...

[teentitan]

So last week Henry hears the magnetic wall hum and this week the healer says there is hot spots almost magnetic that have lots of power.
Was it just me or did buddy have a look of fear in his eyes and on his face when he told Rose he could not heal her?

[goldenboy]

You know what it felt like to me? Just like Claire when she went to the psychic in Sydney. The healer had that same look of confusion, bordering on fear. Seems like the psychic was a con, a manipulator. Not sure about the healer.

Yeah, there's gotta be something going on with the magnetic deal.

[prydain]

I don't see how the psychic was fake. He seemed to know about the island or something like that. And Walt appears to be psychic so it's not like that thing is impossible on this show.

[goldenboy]

I guess I mean he may have been a liar, and a psychic, lol.

If I'm understanding correctly...seems like it's possible that he saw the importance of Claire's baby, but not the specific danger of getting on that flight—if he was being honest.

Or, he wanted Claire to get on the flight, knowing she would end up crashing on the island, not LA like he said he planned for her. In which case, he was manipulating her.

Or, he's just in communication with the Others somehow, and he conned her, got her on that specific flight that may have been intentionally downed....

[teentitan]

I think everyone on that flight has an "aura" (for lack of a better word) about them. So when a psychic or healer etc may do their mojo on this individual it scares/confuses them. And they immediately say the first thing that comes to their minds and usually it's bold fearful statements.
That's why to me last night the healer had a look of fear in his eyes when he said bluntly and quickly he couldn't heal Rose. Plus when he had his hands on her they looked like they were pushed away from her.

[N4H]

Never heard of him.

Well, if you're still wondering who Drew Goddard is, he'll be writing tonight's Alias, then moving on to Lost next season.

[Black Eye Guy]

Ok I have wanted in on this discussion for ages!! but have stayed away because of Spoilers, I was only on Episode 11(stupid Irish TV) But I'm all caught up now :)

Anyone else think season 2 is actually better then season 1?


Or, he wanted Claire to get on the flight, knowing she would end up crashing on the island, not LA like he said he planned for her. In which case, he was manipulating her.
I think this is the correct one, It just makes the most sense, Charlie even points it out to Claire.

And what do you think is up with the Dharma Initiative?? Not sure if this has been talked about already but the "Company" The Hanso Foundation, Which runs the Dharma Project itself, has a website (Here (http://www.bigspaceship.com/archive/hanso/): this is a mirror of the actual site, as it has been down since march!), but it's really interesting, it says that they are investigating:

The Hanso Life-Extension Project

The Hanso Foundation Electromagnetic Research Initiative

The Hanso Quest for Extra-Terrestrial Intelligence

The Hanso Mathematical Forecasting Initiative

The Hanso Cryogenics Development Imperative

The Hanso Juxtapositional Eugenics Development Institute

The Hanso Accelerated Remote Viewing Training Facility
, The only one you can go into is the Life-Extension Project, and they say they have completed it successfully. That list can be found here (http://www.bigspaceship.com/archive/hanso/activeproject.html) and when you put the mouse under the last project you find a secret one, The Dharma Initiative, Where you can watch the Video they see in the show that explains the button.

Also Alvar Hanso is the guy responsible for setting up the Hanso Foundation which conducts all these experiments, and he is the guy that said the quote your man with the beard says to Jack, He apparently said it when addressing the U.N. Security Council in 1967:

“From the dawn of our species, Man has been blessed with curiosity. Our most precious gift, without exception, is the desire to know more - to look beyond what is accepted as the truth and to imagine what is possible.”


- Alvar Hanso, Address to the U.N. Security Council, 1967

Source (http://www.bigspaceship.com/archive/hanso/alvarhanso.html) and if you click on his picture above the quote it brings you to an apparently confidential letter, which I don't really understand, lol.

You can also find the mission statement for this "Foundation" on their website:
The Hanso Foundation stands at the vanguard of social and scientific research for the advancement of the human race. For forty years, the foundation has offered grants to worthy experiments designed to further the evolution of the human race and provide technological solutions to the most pressing problems of our time.

The Hanso Foundation: a commitment to encouraging excellence in science and technology and furthering the cause of human development.

That's really interesting when you think about the active experiments they have on at the moment especially the

The Hanso Foundation Electromagnetic Research Initiative - Stuff about Magnets has been mentioned a few times in connection to the Swan Station

Then the Dharma Initiative is investigating including meteorology, psychology, parapsychology, zoology, and electromagnetism - From the film, And the shark that attacks the guys on the raft in Adrift, has the Dharma Initiative Logo on it's tail!

Also there's the stations, The swan is the one their in, but from the map that shows up under ultra violet light, there's loads more:
http://onfinite.com/libraries/872706/86e.jpg
There's five that are named: The Swan, The Arrow(The one that the tail section survivors were using) The Flame, The Pearl, The Staff (The one used for Claire's baby), The others are numbered with numbers and stuff, but the one up the top left has been totally scribbled out. And then there's the big one in the middle with the question mark, which I'm guessing is the others?
Source (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_DHARMA_Initiative)

[prydain]

OMG what the hell just happened? I can't believe what just happened! I can't believe Ana and Libby just died. I can't believe how awesome next week's episode looks. I can't believe Michael is just an asshole now. Wow.

Wow.

[N4H]

I read on another board the 2 actresses have been charged with DUI recently. Was this a Yancy Butler (Witchblade) thing, I wonder.

[prydain]

Alright I know.

TV Guide has an interview with the producers. According to them, Michelle Rodriguez asked to be on the show, I think, last year. But she said before any agreement was made that she wanted ONE SEASON ONLY and then leave. So ever since the season one finale, basically, ABC, the crew, and Michelle knew that she was going to be killed off, but after the DUI they even considered keeping her on a bit longer so people wouldn't think that's why she got killed off.

Libby is most likely not dead. The producers said they're not interested in the cast's "extracirricular activities" anyway or something to that effect. I think Libby was shot just to add more drama and add to the cliffhanger.

My theory is that Libby will be unconscious for a while, and wake up AFTER Michael has led a group to the Others, and then say it was Michael who's responsible. Michael shot himself in the arm, probably to say that Henry Gale got away, shot the women and him. The Others probably said that he could have Walt back if he freed Henry.

[goldenboy]

Hey, did anybody call that Hanso telephone number? That fake commercial was cool! I taped the ep, but I forgot to rewind and write down the #...

[edit]

OK, found it. No area code.

A commercial for the Hanso Foundation aired during this episode. At the end of the Commercial the number 877-HANSORG is displayed

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Episodes_of_Lost_%28season_2%29

[N4H]

Isn't there a website for some foundation mentioned in Lost (was it Hanso) also? I seem to recall hearing that somewhere. Was it here?

Anyway...so long Anna Lucia. You were hot.

[goldenboy]

I think BEG alerted us to the site.

OMG, too cool:

http://thehansofoundation.org/

[N4H]

Wow, that says a lot, doesn't it? Did you phone the number?

[prydain]

Ana Lucia hot? I thought she was quite...unattractive.

[N4H]

Different strokes, I guess. But for me...yowzer...oh mamma!!!

[prydain]

Actually none of the Lost women are hot to me. Shannon was. Everyone else is just "ok". Pretty, yet not attractive to me. Kate can be hot sometimes. Claire's okay....

[N4H]

And yet, I find all those women you mentioned quite slobber-worthy. :dracula:

I know what you mean though, when you speak of not getting what others lust for. For example I've never found Kirsten Bell sexy. I think she's a superior actress, I just don't find her sexy. Other people though (yourself included, I think, right?), would cheerfully cast her as Helen of Troy. As I said before...different strokes.

[goldenboy]

The thing about Ana Lucia, she had that super aggressive, almost butch kind of attitude. Some guys really go for that. I think Sun's pretty hot actually (no pun intended, heh) God, that's just awful.

I'd say Kate and Sun.

[Old Master]

I only watch LOST off and on, so I'm still terrible with the names of characters. What's the name of the girl with the baby? Because out of all of the women, she's the hottest IMO.

[goldenboy]

I only watch LOST off and on, so I'm still terrible with the names of characters. What's the name of the girl with the baby? Because out of all of the women, she's the hottest IMO.

Yeah, that's Claire.

[N4H]

Notice the way this thread veered off in the direction of hot women? Must be spring-time. :cocktail:

[prydain]

Kristen Bell *is* sexy to me, but I think Eliza Dushku is probably my favorite "hot celebrity". Whenever she's on Buffy she outshines SMG. Charisma Carpenter is pretty hot too.

[teentitan]

Alrighty then spring is in the air and hormones are a flown!!!
Not to change the subject but about last nights epi...
Ana Lucia... gone. Libby... alive thanks to the blankets and she is not unconscious long. Why? Well Michael's arm was in a sling in the vault in the preview for next week. Why would he be in the vault if he fooled the rest of the group?
Also Jack has a sister in Australia. How old is she? What does she have to do with the plot? And most importantly who else in the group unknowingly knows?
And I don't know about anyone else but the Libby being in the phsych ward with Hurley story has got me intrigued.
And who in the hell was Henry talking about being disappointed in him failing to take Locke back to the others?

[eponinethen]

I know what you mean though, when you speak of not getting what others lust for. For example I've never found Kirsten Bell sexy. I think she's a superior actress, I just don't find her sexy. Other people though (yourself included, I think, right?), would cheerfully cast her as Helen of Troy. As I said before...different strokes.
Agree. Kirsten Bell is awesome, but I don't find her sexy. Ash told me I am the worst lesbian ever for choosing Logan over Veronica (long story), but yeah.. Ana Lucia is to me the hottest girl on Lost, no doubt about it... And I wouldn't go as far as calling her "butch", lol... :P

[goldenboy]

Agree. Kirsten Bell is awesome, but I don't find her sexy. Ash told me I am the worst lesbian ever for choosing Logan over Veronica (long story), but yeah.. Ana Lucia is to me the hottest girl on Lost, no doubt about it... And I wouldn't go as far as calling her "butch", lol... :P

Yeah, I dunno...tomboy? Even colloquial english can't do justice to people sometimes. Just a takes-no-BS, exceptionally aggressive kinda woman.


Ana Lucia... gone. Libby... alive thanks to the blankets and she is not unconscious long. Why? Well Michael's arm was in a sling in the vault in the preview for next week. Why would he be in the vault if he fooled the rest of the group?
Also Jack has a sister in Australia. How old is she? What does she have to do with the plot? And most importantly who else in the group unknowingly knows?
And I don't know about anyone else but the Libby being in the phsych ward with Hurley story has got me intrigued.
And who in the hell was Henry talking about being disappointed in him failing to take Locke back to the others?

I'm just curious if Jack even knows he has a sis. Libby needs a flashback ep or two before she kicks it. Too much unresolved there.

Ooh, now I know who Henry reminds me of. Frank Burns, from M*A*S*H. That same weaselesque, ferret-like demeanor. Actually looks like him too.

[teentitan]

Did anyone else notice the background noise in the hatch? It's the sound of a generator. I cannot recall that low thumping-hum before the blast door came down. I think we are in for a slow burn on this magnetic theory. Remember Henry said he heard a magnetic hum then the clock reset by itself. I think Henry was also sent to disrupt the clock reset.

[Bored of the Dead]

From the read up of the Lost Finale, it seems Locke is going to prevent someone typing in the code.

[Black Eye Guy]

Hey can we spoiler tag spoilers please, This is no longer a Lost spoiler thread(That one is located here (http://www.after-darkness.com/showthread.php?t=700&page=9)), this is just the Discussion thread.

That episode was amazing, The last few minutes had me literally gasp, with hands over my mouth, I was not expecting that at all. I really want to know whats up with Jack's dad, He has to be tied into the story in some other way, and ohh they've updated the Hanso foundation website(Finally!) Everyone go look for secrets hidden there!

And did anyone ring the no, and get the first clue??

[teentitan]

Sorry BEG but I didn't know I was talking about a spoiler. I was only commenting on the preview for next weeks epi from May 3rd's show.
Jack's dad is tied into a lot of characters but now that a sister is revealed one sorta has to wonder about her age...kid + island = trouble...just saying.
But did anyone hear the background noise in the hatch?

[Bored of the Dead]

Erm the word in the title says 'Discussion', what i said is nothing more then supposition based on what we have seen, plus a comment in the 'Lost Finale' thread.
It doesn't say what Lockes momentous decision is, what it does say is he makes one.
My comment, though possibly worded incorrectly, is not actually a spoiler, it is infact, the same level of 'i think this will happen soon' that is being discussed in this thread,
The conclusion i came to regarding Locke and preventing someone using the code is actually based on the first few episodes of the season and what we know of Locke on the Island.
He has put his all into his Faith in the Island, truly letting himself believe in the power of the code and its significance, so its not hard to imagine that ultimately for this cycle(that cannot go on for more then the season) to be broken, he is the one who must make the decision to stop entering it.
See, i'm in the UK, i'm actually behind by a few episodes, these guys, so as much as it makes me smile that you think my comment was some true spoiler i had been privvy to, it really is not.
Thank You

[Black Eye Guy]

Ok sorry, I'll un tag them, my mistake. :)
But anyway I was looking at www.thehansofoundation.org, and when you go to the news letter section it asks you to sign up, enter any screen name, and the site apparently become hacked, by someone named Persephone, they are the person that talks when you ring the number, when they ask can you see this type "yes" Then they'll ask for the password, which is "breaking strain", After you have seen what happens head over to Joop's corner and send Joop a message, Then read what follows and click on the signature at the bottom, and read the next letter, then again click on the signature. That's all I got so far!

Also the things they are researching are different to the last one, They were investigating allot more paranormal stuff, now it's very scientific. They have added that they are involved with mental illness investigation, and own a number of clinics, so they might tie in with The hospital Libby, Hurley and Lockes Mom were in!

Then they only other thing I noticed was when pages are loading, They little loading icon, That runs from 1 - 100, randomly changes to The Numbers!

Jacks sister is an interesting twist, Do you think she is a child? It did kinda come across that way, but unless she gets brought to the island or knows someone from the Island, she cant really tie into the storyline, unless she's already on the island, and she older??

[N4H]

Just in case you don't want to click on all the links, or make the phone calls, here's some more on those Hanso promotions.

Fake commercial for The Hanso Foundation gets massive game The Lost Experience going.
The Hanso Web page.

The Hanso Web page.

Perhaps you were recovering from the violent shock ending, or maybe you TiVo'd through the commercials at high speed. In either case, you might have missed it: an odd commercial near the end of Wednesday's Lost episode.

The commercial, for a fictitious organization called The Hanso Foundation, marked the beginning of The Lost Experience, a massive worldwide game with online, mobile, and televised components.

Fans of the show already know The Hanso Foundation is the entity which is responsible for much of what is happening on the island. The foundation produced the infamous 16mm film reel found in the hatch and watched endlessly by Locke, and it sponsored "The Dharma Intiative," an unknown experiment the logo of which is plastered all over the food the castaways keep finding.

The commercial that was televised Wednesday featured some enigmatic visuals of a DNA helix, the ocean, and a grainy image of Alvar Hanso, the founder of the Hanso Foundation, as well as a phone number, 877.HANSORG, and a Web address for The Hanso Foundation.

The phone number perfectly replicates a company voice mail where callers get "lost" in a perpetual robot voice loop. Listen carefully to the general information line and then hear what sounds like a foreign language--or gibberish--punctuated by "(Joshua?) Jackson."

Alvar Hanso's outgoing voice greeting ends with an unknown female voice saying "Where is Alvar Hanso? What have you done with him?" Many of the outgoing messages end with the phrase, "Namaste."

The Web site extols The Hanso Foundation's 105 year old orangutan, Joop. The primate is part of what is called The Life Extension Project and was "harvested" by British explorers in 1900.

Elsewhere on the site, The Institue for Genomic Advancement discusses curing disease and birth defects and features a chest X-ray of a person infected with an unknown disease. The X-ray is similar to those of the series character Rose, who was diagnosed with lung cancer and given only a few months to live until the island seemed to heal her.

Also on the site is a press release, dated 05/06/06, saying that the site has been experiencing a "disruption," but that the user database was not compromised.

http://www.tv.com/story/story.html&story_id=4412

[goldenboy]

So this was a pretty fun ep. We see Eko bump into Claire's psychic. Was the psychic admitting to Eko that he was a fraud, or just that his wife didn't like that he was a professional reader? Wasn't paying enough attention...

Interesting that Eko seems to get a message from his dead brother, via that girl...

[prydain]

Hmm well I don't think the show has ever went that far into sci-fi before in one episode...lot of seemingly psychic stuff going on. It really was a fun episode. One of my favorites.

The psychic admitted he was a fake but I have a feeling his "reading" of Claire might have been somewhat legit. Otherwise it just doesn't make much sense.

[N4H]

Wasn't he the same psychic who refused to help Rose get healed also? What was that all about? He'd been doing the psychic healing thing with other people. Why not Rose? If he didn't believe in his power, wouldn't her money be as green as anybody elses? Dharma connection?

[prydain]

And why did they give Libby heroin?

[goldenboy]

Wasn't he the same psychic who refused to help Rose get healed also? What was that all about? He'd been doing the psychic healing thing with other people. Why not Rose? If he didn't believe in his power, wouldn't her money be as green as anybody elses? Dharma connection?

I thought they were two different guys. Bernard and Rose had to drive way out into the middle of nowhere, the Outback, to get to the healer. I thought the psychic was in Sydney?

And why did they give Libby heroin?

To ease the searing agony from the gut shot...I think.

[N4H]

I thought they were two different guys. Bernard and Rose had to drive way out into the middle of nowhere, the Outback, to get to the healer. I thought the psychic was in Sydney?

Oh...oops...and thanks, that would be a bad thing to mix up.

[prydain]

Hmm I'm really in the mood to watch this episode again. That's only happened a few times this whole season, where I watch an episode again the next day. The show is getting so awesome now.

I wonder what's up with all the religious references and imagery. Personally I think it's kinda cool but at the same time it seems a little bit out of place, and I wonder if it's supposed to be some kind of red herring of some sort? Whatever it is, it keeps fueling the purgatory theories despite the fact that the producers have repeatedly said that's not what's going on.

But we've had the Mary statues, Charlie's "visions" in "Fire + Water", and a bunch of other stuff this season. I wonder how all that will come into play.

[Black Eye Guy]

I'm really not a fan of Eko, I don't like him, but this little look into his past was pretty cool. The physic thing is kinda weird cuz that kinda scraps the whole He made Claire get on the plane because it was going to crash, and the fact that he was so dedicated to getting her on the plane, unless maybe it was his first actual first reading?

[teentitan]

So if the Pearl room is the observation post and the actions of people are being observed and recorded then where is the recordings? My wife said two things that would have been a really good twist. Locke and Eko will see the tape where Michael shot the girls and if Henry actually entered the numbers to reset the clock. I think the recorders are behind the wall Locke hit in frustration.
Plus the air tubes where do they go? This was a really good epi and I'm a little disappointed that we do not get the Libby background story connection with Hurley.

[goldenboy]

This was a really good epi and I'm a little disappointed that we do not get the Libby background story connection with Hurley.

Yeah, that bummed me out. Maybe she'll show up again in other people's flashbacks and we'll figure out what her deal was...

[N4H]

I was listening to people dissect that stuff about the Pearl Room on another board. They were really getting into it.

Like the scientist guy says something about a ferry...Apollo, or a ferry...Palau, or something like that. If it's Palau, there's an island in the South Pacific called Palau.

Then there was a big arguement concerning whether the name of the scientist speaking was Widmore, or Wickman. If it's Wickman, the name of the scientist on the first tape was Candle. There are also connections in Lost somewhere to the name Widmore. I forget where.

They were trying to decipher why this tape is VHS (even discussing if it was VHS or Beta), and why the old tape was reel to reel. They best theory said the Pearl Room was deep underground and therefore free of the Island's surface magnetic field. The VHS tape wouldn't be destroyed there.

Also, apparently the scientist in the first tape has something wrong with his arm (might be missing). In this current tape they think this might be the same scientist, or a clone, and his arm is OK.

[Black Eye Guy]

Yeah in the Reel for the Swan The guy has a prosthetic hand, But in the Tape for the Pearl His hand was normal, What boards were you reading this on, Cuz I have been looking for a good lost board but can't find one!

teentitan
I think the recorders are behind the wall Locke hit in frustration.

I'm iffy about this, The place kinda looked abandoned to me, Which would explain why there were no people there and maybe why no replacements have come to the Swan in 3 years! But if the project is abandoned why is food arriving? And why is the Web Site active that would imply that the foundation is still active!!

[N4H]

I like to read at this one.

http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/

They really get into the details of the show. I don't know what it's like to post on though. I don't get the feeling they have a lot of patience with noobs.

[prydain]

I used to be a member of the Lost-TV forums, until they upgraded the board, never felt like signing up again...it was cool though.

[prydain]

It's Alex! She's kinda cute, lol. A lot more so than her crazy momma.

Is it just me or does Charlie seem to be...kinda evil? His expressions and tone of voice seemed odd.

Okay that was a good episode...lots of more stuff about The Others. It was really interesting. Why did they want those four?