Heroes

[prydain]

NBC has given the green-light to a show called "Heroes". This one guy at TV Guide said a couple of months ago that the show was going to be great - he only read the script and said it was the next "Lost". Here's info on it:

who's in it?
· adrian pasdar (david bradley on "desperate housewives") as nathan petrelli
· ali larter (clear rivers on "final destination 2") as niki sanders
· greg grunberg (eric weiss on "alias") as matt parkman
· hayden panettiere (veronica 'ronnie' dewing on "the book of daniel") as claire bennet
· leonard roberts (forrest gates on "buffy the vampire slayer") as d.l. hawkins
· masi oka (franklyn on "scrubs") as hiro nakamura
· milo ventimiglia (richard on "the bedford diaries") as peter petrelli
· noah gray-cabey (franklin aloysius mumford on "my wife and kids") as micah sanders
· santiago cabrera (ii) (octavius on "empire") as diego medina
· sendhil ramamurthy (guest star on "numb3rs") as mohinder suresh
· tawny cypress (nina calvo on "jonny zero") as simone deveraux

who's making it?
· david semel (DIR/CO-EP on "house") as DIR/EP
· dennis hammer (EP on "crossing jordan") as EP
· jesse alexander (ii) (WRTR/EP on "alias") as CO-EP
· tim kring (WRTR/EP on "crossing jordan") as WRTR/EP


(from NBC's press release) They thought they were like everyone else...until they woke with incredible powers. In Japan, a lowly office worker can teleport at will. In New York, a struggling artist can paint the future. In Los Angeles, a discontented beat cop can hear the thoughts of others. Heroes chronicles the lives of these people, and the lives of others like them – whose destiny just might be the saving of humankind...but first they must come to grips with their newfound powers. This original, edge-of-your-seat thriller will make you wonder if there really are heroes among us.

I'm personally looking forward to it. It's supposed to be pretty dark. I keep thinking X-Men meets Lost, which sounds like a great combo to me.

[goldenboy]

I wonder if it will be sorta like Unbreakable (except for...actually being good.) Hope it doesn't feel like Surface.

[prydain]

I definitely don't think it will be another Surface, which critics NEVER liked. This will probably have a bigger budget, plus the cast is actually talented and I've heard of them before.

[goldenboy]

Well, the creators' ties to House and Alias sound good.

[prydain]

Well the actual creator is the creator of Crossing Jordan as well, which my mom thinks is fantastic. Personally I have never seen a full episode of CJ but it has a lot of fans doesn't it?

[goldenboy]

I've only seen a couple of eps of CJ, but it seemed a lot smarter than Surface, heh.

[prydain]

Plus I don't think NBC would've picked it up if it was anything like Surface. They're trying to bring their network back from the dead and last year, the only reason Surface was picked up was because everyone else was picking up sci-fi shows and they just wanted in.

[goldenboy]

Yeah, I always thought of Surface as kind of a lazy, tone-deaf attempt to jump on the 'Lost' gravy train. Hopefully, someone at NBC realizes that character and dialogue, smart writing is key to a good show (even the lowly 'genre' show)

[prydain]

Well NBC had enough faith in this to produce a movie-length pilot, and one of the earlier press releases said that this is a character-oriented show, so...I have faith in it.

[Black Eye Guy]

I like the sound of it, the cast is pretty good to, The one thing about things with superheroes is that it can only go two ways, 1) They do it really well, or 2) They'll make it so cheesy!! I really hope it's not cheesy!

[prydain]

Here's a longer description:

The epic drama "Heroes" chronicles the lives of ordinary people who discover they possess extraordinary abilities. As a total eclipse casts it shadow across the globe, viewers follow a genetics professor (Sendhil Ramamurthy, "Blind Guy Driving") in India whose father's disappearance leads him to uncover a secret theory -- there are people with super powers living among us. A young dreamer (Milo Ventimiglia, "The Bedford Diaries") tries to convince his politician brother (Adrian Pasdar, "Judging Amy") that he can fly. A high school cheerleader (Hayden Panettiere, "Ice Princess") learns that she is totally indestructible. A Las Vegas stripper (Ali Larter, "Final Destination"), struggling to make ends meet to support her young son (Noah Gray-Cabey, "My Wife & Kids"), uncovers that her mirror image has a secret. A prison inmate (Leonard Roberts, "Buffy the Vampire Slayer") mysteriously finds himself waking up outside of his cell. A gifted artist (Santiago Cabrera, "Empire"), whose drug addiction is destroying his life and the relationship with his girlfriend (Tawny Cypress, "Third Watch"), can paint the future. A down-on-his-luck beat cop (Greg Grunberg, "Alias") can hear people's thoughts, including the secrets of a captured terrorist. In Japan, a young man (Masi Oka, "Scrubs") develops a way to stop time through sheer will power. Their ultimate destiny is nothing less than saving the world. "Heroes" is executive produced by creator/writer Tim Kring ("Crossing Jordan), Dennis Hammer ("Crossing Jordan") and David Semel ("House"), who also directed the pilot. The drama is from NBC Universal Television Studio.

[Batman]

This looks really promising.
The tough part of any of these shows is getting Joe Q public to watch.
As well as keeping the general Sci/Fanasty Fanboy-girl interested.

[Black Eye Guy]

Ok I love the sound of this!! I really like their super powers, I hate when they give superheros crappy powers!! But it also seems to have good normal story lines going on in each of the characters lives!! Plus the cast is pretty cool!

[prydain]

I usually don't watch TV on Tuesdays nowadays but tonight I'm watching something on NBC to see if I can catch a trailer for this, lol.

[goldenboy]

Some promo pics from the show...
http://superherohype.com/cgi-bin/imageFolio.cgi?direct=Heroes&img=9

[prydain]

Those are cool pics.

[Black Eye Guy]

Yeah, looks good!! Oh and I forgot to mention that I love the idea of a cheerleader discovering thats she's indestructible, I don't know why but I think it's hilarious!!

[prydain]

Well I'm friends with a few cheerleaders, they're pretty strong and tough. ;) It's not an easy "sport", after all. lol

[prydain]

The totally awesome 5 minute preview!

http://video.nbc.com/player.html?dlid=22161

[goldenboy]

HEROES (NBC)

(Mondays at 9:00/8:00c this fall)

The plot in a nutshell: Scrolling intro text tells us that "a seemingly random group of individuals has emerged with what can only be described as 'special abilities.'" And that "these individuals will not only save the world, but change it forever." From here we make the rounds on the show's rather large ensemble cast: there's Peter Petrelli (a surprisingly upbeat Milo Ventimiglia), a nurse who has dreams that he can fly; his skeptical brother Nathan (Adrian Pasdar), who's running for office; Niki Sanders (Ali Larter), a Vegas webcam stripper who catches her own reflection moving; her prodigy son Micah (Noah Gray-Cabey); Claire Bennet (Hayden Panettiere), a Texas cheerleader who finds she's literally unbreakable; Isaac Mendez (Santiago Cabrera), a junkie artist whose paintings reveal the future; and Hiro Nakamura (Masi Oka), a corporate drone who thinks he can move space and time. Tying them all together is Mohinder Suresh (Sendhil Ramamurthy), a professor in India whose controversial theories about evolution have drawn the attention of a mysterious figure (known only as "Horn Rimmed Glasses" in the script). It seems said beliefs also led to his father's death and, fearing for his life, he flees to New York to seek out one of the evolutionary leaps he's been tracking. There, undercover as a cab driver, he stumbles upon Peter, who's now convinced himself he can fly and is willing to literally take the leap to prove it. We also begin to see the various connections between our "special" people, such as the daughter of one of Peter's patients (Tawny Cypress) is dating Isaac, one of Hiro's friends is a regular "viewer" of Niki and in the pilot's final big reveal - who "Horn Rimmed Glasses" actually is. Oh, and did I mention this all is happening during a solar eclipse?

What works: The show's large, multiethnic (and multinational) cast - not to mention its supernatural elements - will undoubtedly draw comparisons to "Lost" - and for once, that's not a bad thing. What "Heroes" gets that the various "clones" out there don't is that the characters come first and the overarching plot comes second. And even then it's only when we've warmed up to the characters that the show starts to reveal its potentially large, multi-year plot. In fact, my favorite part about the show is simply that (for the most part) the characters don't treat their abilities as a curse, but rather as their salvation - Peter, a dreamer by nature, finally has something real to stand up for; Niki, constantly under the thumb of the loan shark she used to pay for her son's tuition, finally has a way to fight back; and Hiro, desperate to stand out, finally gets to break free from being a cog in the machine. It's their "discovery" that powers the show and it's very intoxicating. Further livening things up is David Semel's feature-level direction - from big moments like Peter leaping off a building to small character bits like Hiro standing out from his ant-like co-workers during company mandated exercises. There's just plenty to love about this show. NBC really is swinging for the fences on the drama front this fall.

What doesn't: Those hoping for quick explanations about how these people got their powers, why "Horn Rimmed Glasses" is after them and so forth are going to be very disappointed. To its credit thought, the show doesn't let such questions hang over the proceedings (unlike say "Invasion," "Surface" or "Threshold") and wisely makes the action about the characters instead of some global quest for answers.

The challenges ahead: Simply put, are NBC viewers ready to embrace a sci-fi drama?

http://www.thefutoncritic.com/rant.aspx?id=20060613

[Black Eye Guy]

Gotta say I am quite looking forward to this! I like the sound of the Plot, and since the only thing they have seen as bad so far is that the powers thing is kinda brushed over, that’s pretty good, considering that will probably come into play later in the series.

I also LOVE that the characters don't treat their powers as a curse!!! I have always wanted heroes to do that, It gets kinda annoying when they keep complaining about them and your sitting there going "I wish I had them!"

[prydain]

Yeah but if you had superpowers would you want that feeling of obligation to actively seek out people in need ALL the time? lol

[goldenboy]

Yeah, I bet the writers will figure out a way to give them problems. Stan Lee and Marvel were the pioneers in giving superheroes personal problems (Spidey, X-Men).

It does seem like a refreshing spin on the idea now—having people realize their potential, discover their gifts or whatever—after all the angst about superpowers. I like the idea that they all have a particular part to play in solving some gigantic challenge...

[goldenboy]

New interview with Jeph Loeb.

http://www.superherohype.com/news/heroesnews.php?id=4638

[goldenboy]

Umm...interesting combo...

Then I saw two movies back-to-back literally on two consecutive days that just sort of blew me away. One was my friend Charlie Kaufman's movie "Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind" and the other was "The Incredibles." I was really blown away by both movies, and I started thinking about them. In a weird way, they started to kind of meld in my mind, taking the kind of Kaufmanesque hyper-real characters, very anonymous characters, people you would pass on the street and not think twice about, and I started blending them in my mind with the premise of "The Incredibles," people trying to live ordinary lives while having these superpowers. So that was kind of where it all came from, and the other genesis was that I was looking to do a big serialized saga, and I wanted to start literally from the very beginning. Whereas most TV shows, you start and somebody's already a lawyer or they're a cop or they're doctor and they work in a hospital. I wanted to do a show that started from absolute beginning of the inception of these abilities.
http://superherohype.com/news/heroesnews.php?id=4685

[Black Eye Guy]

Anyone seen the theatrical trailer for Heroes, here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBwEd_g62Hk), it's a pretty cool ad.

Do they show ad's in the cinema for allot of TV shows in America, or is it just for this show, cuz they never show ad's for TV shows in the cinema over here!

[prydain]

They showed ads for Prison Break nonstop last summer in the theaters around here.

That commercial...eh, it's really mediocre I think, and makes the show look way more corny than it actually is.

[goldenboy]

What did you guys think of the third ep? I still think the characters and writing are pretty damn generic, but it seems to be revving up a bit, in terms of the plot and the darkness, ominousness. That nasty bit at the end with the cheerleader, ouch. And that mystery bad guy that the lady cop was chasing, almost got her to blow her own brains out..

[N4H]

I saw it for the first time last night. I liked it. Not knocked me on my ass liked it, but really liked it. I'm kind of glad I started in ep 3, because I get the impression it was kind of dragged out for the first 2.

My favourites so far are the two Japanese guys. I look forward to seeing all these characters starting to cross paths soon. I assume that's going to happen.

I saw a bunch of names and faces I recognized - Jesse from Gilmore Girls, background eye candy Ali Larter, and who's that girl with all the freckles who plays the FBI agent? I know I've seen her somewhere, but can't remember where.

I saw the names of Bryan Fuller (Star Trek Voyageur, Wonderfalls, Dead Like Me), and Jeph Loeb (Smallville, Lost, Buffy animated uncompleted project) flash by in the credits. I did a little research, and near as I can figure they have something to do with some kind of plan to integrate comics, and animation somehow. I couldn't exactly understand it.

[goldenboy]

Yeah, they did mention at the end of the ep that there will be a Heroes comic...not sure if it's supplemental stuff, clues, or just gimmickery..

[edit]

Alright. I'm a sucker for comic book gimmickery.

http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/novels/

Jeez, get a load of the Nissan product placement in the 1st "issue"...

[Black Eye Guy]

and who's that girl with all the freckles who plays the FBI agent? I know I've seen her somewhere, but can't remember where.

Haven't seen the third ep yet, but she was in the second. She was Marci Ross the invisible girl in Buffy, I think.

[teentitan]

So who wouldn't be a little pissed off seeing their chest cavity wide open after someone pulled a stick out of your head? I know it would ruin my day! lol
Did anyone see the symbol yet? The guy wearing the necklace and on the cover of the book.
And I have a funny feeling the big bad may be a priest. How else would you explain the whole resurection thing after taking 6 bullets to the chest?

[goldenboy]

I haven't been paying enough attention. What does the symbol look like? Bad guys wearing the symbol?

[teentitan]

It sorta looks like a backward f with a tail.
It has popped up, that I've seen, 5 times.
On a painting when the Japanese guy went to the artist's house on Nov 8
The pool vacuum tube for the pool was shaped like it at the little girls house
The data the son found on the thumbnail had the symbol in the raw data as it flowed by
The guy watching the cop was wearing a necklace
The cover of the Indian professors book had it on it as well

It's either the bad guys calling card or a marker for identifing heroes. Only thing is I haven't seen it near all the identified heroes. So I am going with bad guys calling card or followers.

[Black Eye Guy]

The third ep is really good! I like the Sylus storyline, it's really intresting.

Yeah I noticed that symbol as well (Only 3/5 you mentioned about though!)

[teentitan]

The third ep is really good! I like the Sylus storyline, it's really intresting.

Yeah I noticed that symbol as well (Only 3/5 you mentioned about though!)

It took until the 3rd time I saw the symbol in the second show that I started to recognize it.
Do you think Sylus is a priest? I am guessing that because at the very back of the 'closet of creepy' it looked like a confession written all over the walls. Plus who else would oppose supernatural evolution more then a priest?

[Black Eye Guy]

It took until the 3rd time I saw the symbol in the second show that I started to recognize it.
Do you think Sylus is a priest? I am guessing that because at the very back of the 'closet of creepy' it looked like a confession written all over the walls. Plus who else would oppose supernatural evolution more then a priest?

It definetly looked like there was a connection with religion with the writing, and the room being almost shrine like. Intresting idea, like do you think he's using his powers to kill the other people that are developing powers?

[teentitan]

It definetly looked like there was a connection with religion with the writing, and the room being almost shrine like. Intresting idea, like do you think he's using his powers to kill the other people that are developing powers?

That's exactly what I'm thinking. But what's a priest without followers to preach too?

[prydain]

I just saw ep 3, it was really good. The end with Claire was gross/cool and I laughed at her "Holy sh-!", haha

But after this I really, really hope they stop killing her every episode.

[goldenboy]

Did anyone catch the Rain Man homage with Hiro and the other guy, in Vegas? Pretty funny.

Finally noticed the symbol...on the webcam chick's shoulder. Jeez, I can't remember anyone's name, lol. Hiro, Suresh...uh...Claire..

I like that they're starting to actually hook up now.

[prydain]

Claire is the cheerleader. Webcam chick is Niki.

I thought this episode was soooo cool. This show really is becoming one of my top favorites of the fall, although the dialogue sure could stand to be less corny.

I loved the end when Claire apparantly kills the quaterback. He deserved it.

This show is a LOT darker than I thought it would be.

[teentitan]

Yeah but Hiro sure looks like he not only picked up English but some skills with a samurai sword as well.
This show sure drops hints doesn't it? I thought the symbol was to identify the bad guys but...and how can they leave us hanging with the cop on the table!!!!

[prydain]

Has anyone noticed that this show flows like a daytime soap opera almost? Like how it flips between stories and leaves so much hanging for the next ep?

[teentitan]

Has anyone noticed that this show flows like a daytime soap opera almost? Like how it flips between stories and leaves so much hanging for the next ep?

But without the campy organ music and long stares away from each other. lol
I think this show is dark but at the same time there is moments of innocence. Like when Hito stopped the roulette wheel to put the ball on 26 and then he put the glass back on the tray so it wouldn't spill but he took the olive the way a kid snags a cookie and runs away with glee.
Oh and I just loved the way the quarterback was taken out...and it was his own fault. Just how dumb are you to let a girl who you tried to rape, saw a branch sticking out of her head, strip her clothes off and dumb her in a creek drive your car? Hey dummy she came back to life! It's true teenage boys think with the wrong head, lol

[prydain]

Oh I noticed Bryan Fuller wrote Monday's episode.

[goldenboy]

Yeah but Hiro sure looks like he not only picked up English but some skills with a samurai sword as well.

So, Hiro seems to have survived the big calamity, maybe went to the future, spruced up his English skills...to come back and help the others, or something. Crazy time loop paradox stuff. Or he froze time, spent all the frozen time studying, lol.

Has anyone noticed that this show flows like a daytime soap opera almost? Like how it flips between stories and leaves so much hanging for the next ep?

Yeah, it flows like Lost, to a degree. Also, like comic books often do. All sorta soapy...

[Black Eye Guy]

Awesome episode! Loved how claire killed the quaterback, that was cool.

The story flows so well concidering it jumps around so much, it's pretty impressive how much it flows actually!

Oh and did you see the guy that I'm assuming has some kinda mind controll pwer kiss the symbol neckalace before using his power, I think your theory about a religious connection teentitan might be on the ball!!

[teentitan]

Has it been revealed what exactly Claire's father does? Because I'm thinking there's two things in Texas football and religion. The show has football covered and her daddy does look like a minister of sorts.
And the bad guy was told to clean him out by Claire's daddy about the cop on the table. He did grab the cop by the head as the scene changed and clean him out to me meant open his head and scoop out the brains like the other victims they've shown. Do you think he eats/digests his victims powers by taking their brains?

[prydain]

I thought "clean him out" meant his memories or something. But Matt doesn't die - at least yet - so his brain can't be eaten right now, lol.

And I've been WONDERING where've I've seen the QB before and I FINALLY realized he was on several episodes of "Point Pleasant". Must say his acting has improved some.

[Angels baby101]

hmmm i had never been able to see this till like this past monday cause 7th heaven was on and then i'd jsut kinda ignore it but since 7th heaven moved to sundays i finally got to see it.... It seemed pretty interesting plus i really like Haden Pantiera (however you spell it lol) so i think i'mma try and keep watching it see how good it really is

[eponinethen]

Not gonna read this thread since I've only seen two episodes so far, and I hate being spoiled.. But I was really surprised how much I liked this show right from the start. Definitely want to keep watching, mhm.

[prydain]

For some reason I'm really surprised you liked this show, epo. lol

[N4H]

There's a 3 episode mini-marathon of Heroes tomorrow on NBC. Good way for people like me who missed the early ones to catch up.

[eponinethen]

For some reason I'm really surprised you liked this show, epo. lol
Oh really? That's funny.. How come? lol

Have now seen, um, four episodes, are there? Ah yes Joamna tells me it's four, mhm. And we both still like it quite a lot, yup :)

[goldenboy]

A link via whedonesque:

http://othermag.org/blog/?p=126

I don't agree with everything in this piece, but no doubt Buffy is the gold standard for nailing the true spirit and feel of a modern comic book on TV—even though it's not in fact a comic adaptation. Buffy felt like it created its comic book world from the inside out. First and foremost, there's the characters, the humanity. Then the heroic themes, then on to the mythos, the particularities. Sunnydale became an all-encompassing 'verse, truly comic book-like. It evolved into a classic comic in a way.

So far, Heroes doesn't really feel like the essence of a comic to me. It approaches it all from the outside, superficially trying to adapt ideas and conventions from comic books (but not too faithfully, so as not to alienate a broad audience). The unfolding plot seems more important than distinctive characters or even underlying themes, metaphors at this point. It's still too early, so who knows what will happen, but...maybe the mutants-as-outcasts, religious extremism, intolerance stuff will become more prominent. I guess Claire has the alienation thing down, a bit.

Buffy spoiled me with superheroes on TV. I think Wonderfalls actually feels more like a comic book to me than Heroes.

[teentitan]

Last nights epi was gooooooood! Wow a congressman that not only flys but he breaks the sound barrier?!?
So the cop did not loose the top of his noggin, he still has his powers but still gets overloaded in crowds. The QB survived that sudden stop and 'daddy' cleans out his memory. I'm starting to think daddy is not the bad guy.
Niki's ex all of a sudden pops up in the living room. The brother seems to 'borrow' another Heroes powers when he's near them.
The guessing game on who the bad guy is getting very intriguing but it's not distracting because all the players are starting to come together. I think that in another two maybe (maybe three) shows and we will find out who the big bad is.

[MentPatient]

So funny, Hiro, just attempting to make conversation with the congressman.

I want to find out what part the cheerleader is going to play in the grand scheme.
Wow, the dad is the scary black guy who wipes people's minds?

[prydain]

Why can Hiro speak some English to Petrelli but on the phone with the other guy - no English at all?

[goldenboy]

Yeah, I was wondering about Hiro's broken English with Petrelli. He picks up the lingo incredibly fast, or that's just a writer's inconsistency...

If Claire's dad isn't the Big Bad, he's morally ambiguous, at best.

And I don't understand Patrelli's mindset. Has he always known about his own abilities? Suddenly he shoots off like a rocket, lands at a diner. I know he likes to be all nonchalant and hide what he is, but...he doesn't act freaked enough. Doesn't feel true to me. I'm asking too much of this show, lol.

[prydain]

He knew before the pilot that he could fly. That's why he flew up to save his brother in the pilot.

[goldenboy]

He knew before the pilot that he could fly. That's why he flew up to save his brother in the pilot.

'Kay, that works. He's just made some sort of peace with it, trys to hide it. And Claire obviously knew about herself...

[Black Eye Guy]

Do you think Claires dad knew she was gonna develope powers? Or it was a total accident?

[goldenboy]

Yeah, I don't know. Is Dad just manipulating these mutants, experimenting on them...or does he have a hand in creating them somehow?

[teentitan]

Claire's daddy is the big mystery character. That's why I asked if anyone remembered what he does for a living. Because he does end up all over the country.
One minute he acts like a psycho and the next he protects his little girl by wiping out the QB's memory.
And let's not forget he tried to talk to the son about his father genetic work.

[goldenboy]

A frequently appearing symbol linked to the new heroes strongly resembles half of a stylized DNA double helix. Many people believe this symbol represents a single-stranded RNA molecule. However, DNA is the primary carrier of genetic information and the template on which RNA is based. It is ultimately mutations in DNA that can lead to evolution of the sort implied in the series, making it an appropriate symbol for the heroes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heroes_%28TV_series%29

What's the significance of the name of that comic, "9th Wonders!"? I know of Seven Wonders, etc. Are there gonna be 9 key players, good guys?

[edit]

Yeah, I guess it adds up to 9 superpowered regulars at this point...

[eponinethen]

yeah he spoke really good English for not knowing English. And that other guy spoke kind of fast, if Hiro really was that bad, he shouldn't have had a clue what the guy was saying. Ah well...

Still loving the show :)

[prydain]

goldenboy, I thought there were like 8 wonders of the modern world. I thought it was 8 for modern and then 7 for the ancient world. I'm really not sure though. But that's what I was thinking.

I personally thought episode 5 was not that great, I liked the previous two more.

[teentitan]

Sometimes when a character does something out of the norm, for instance Hiro speaking English, I always overlook the situation as long as it contributes to the story in a positive way.
And this was definitely a positive reason it brought some of the characters together.

[goldenboy]

goldenboy, I thought there were like 8 wonders of the modern world. I thought it was 8 for modern and then 7 for the ancient world. I'm really not sure though. But that's what I was thinking.

8, is that right? That would help explain it. I do remember the 7 ancient ones (or I used to, lol).

Argh it's so confusing, heh.

Seven (or Eight) Wonders of the Ancient World:
1. pyramids of Egypt
2. city walls of Babylon
3. hanging gardens of Semiramis at Babylon
4. temple of Artemis at Ephesus
5. statue of Zeus at Olympia
6. Mausoleum of Halicarnassus
7. Colossus of Rhodes
8. Colosseum of Rome
http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:iFpodxMzqOIJ:www.theaterofpompey.co m/pdcs_articles/listmania.pdf+eight+wonders&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=8

[eponinethen]

Sometimes when a character does something out of the norm, for instance Hiro speaking English, I always overlook the situation as long as it contributes to the story in a positive way.
And this was definitely a positive reason it brought some of the characters together.
I agree that those things don't really matters. It's fun to comment on them, but they don't ruin the show/story for me at all.. Not in shows like this one.

[teentitan]

Ok just finished watching tonights show. I got this nagging feeling that daddy is not the big bad. Anyone else got that feeling? I am thinking this because he has had a chance to kill two people (the QB and the cop) and he didn't. I think he is gathering the info and abilities of all the genetically altered people.
I think the little boy is the wild card.
Oh and GB thanks for the info about the RNA symbol.

[goldenboy]

Yeah, Dad seemed surprised when Suresh's apartment building "friend" mentioned the vague message about a cheerleader, as if he didn't know about her. But Claire's bio-parentals were a total setup, right? Maybe Dad's just surprised that the mutants are hooking up with eachother. Maybe Dad is part of some government sponsored monster squad, Initiative type deal.

Niki's starting to seem like the Green Goblin more and more...talkin to herself...is she supposed to be dead now?

[teentitan]

I think I figured out why the sign on Niki's shoulder is only visible when 'Evil Niki' shows up. Niki is dead but when the artist washed away the paint the symbol was there so I'm guessing that was a hint that Evil Niki will take over the body 24/7.
And I gotta give props to my wife she figured out Apartment Chick was a bad guy from the start.
And the bioparents were sooo fake that I knew it from the minute daddy said he was on the phone with them.

[goldenboy]

Oh, so that was a painting of Niki for sure? That works. Glad I taped this one..

[teentitan]

Oh, so that was a painting of Niki for sure? That works. Glad I taped this one..

I'm assuming it was Niki in the painting because of the big hoop ear rings she wears and the symbol was on the same shoulder. But from the overhead shot you could see the left shoulder but the right was covered by her shirt.

[goldenboy]

And what is up with Micah, the kid. He's extremely bright. I wonder what else.

Micah inherited more than good looks from mom Niki and super-powered dad (introduced in Episode 5). Kring says Micah’s special ability is “something very different than either of his parents.”
http://www.heroestheseries.com/the-heroes-powers-revealed-spoilers/

The parents both have very physically oriented abilities. Maybe he's gonna be some kind of uberpsychic, master manipulator type.

[teentitan]

That's what I said the kid is the 'wild card' to me.

[prydain]

I loved this episode. Everyone at TV.com is saying this episode was terrible yet they all liked last week's episode. Well I thought last week's episode was weak and boring and I loved this one. What the hell.

BTW I think Claire's friend is gay, they've been dropping some clues.

And I think that maybe Claire's parents DO know something, and that the dad "bought" Claire or something when she was born because he knew she was special. I don't know if this has been brought up before, if it has, sorry.

[Karma]

I've only watched episodes 4,5 and 6 of this...so I'm a little slow on catching up with everything, and some stuff still doesn't make sence...lol..

I get the impression that Claire's dad knows what she's about. I think he's the big danager to her. He seems very cold blooded. I don't think her mum knows though. Only because of the off handed way she mentions Claire's childhood medical background...as if it was nothing important. And can I just say, on a side note, how much theropy that child will need to wake up in a morgue with her chest ripped open and her ribs on show...even I thought that was disgusting...lol..

I like Niki. Her character is very complex and I got the impression from the voice over that she's going to be the 'evil' of the heroes. Only because the voiceover was saying stuff like it doesn't come down to being good or evil its all about the choices you make.

Its a good show, and its bringing about a good storyline :)

[teentitan]

I get the impression that Claire's dad knows what she's about. I think he's the big danager to her. He seems very cold blooded. I don't think her mum knows though. Only because of the off handed way she mentions Claire's childhood medical background...as if it was nothing important. And can I just say, on a side note, how much theropy that child will need to wake up in a morgue with her chest ripped open and her ribs on show...even I thought that was disgusting...lol..

I like Niki. Her character is very complex and I got the impression from the voice over that she's going to be the 'evil' of the heroes. Only because the voiceover was saying stuff like it doesn't come down to being good or evil its all about the choices you make.

Its a good show, and its bringing about a good storyline :)

In the first episode Claire had a friend tape her jumping off a tower. She stood up and said that it was attempt #67 to kill herself. Then she pushed a rib that was sticking out back in! So I believe the girl has 'de-sensitized' herself to her abilities.
Thanks for pointing out what the voiceover said. It boils down to choices you make. I missed it.

[Evo]

This show is yet to be shown here for some time... But on a whole how does it compare to what we've seen in many other shows/movies.

The powers aren't original and the plot can't be either... so that leaves the characters to really draw people in.

Are they interesting? and is the show worth watching?

[teentitan]

IMO if you like reading comic books you will like this show. It's a live comic book with just a basic good vs evil theme but with ordinary people that you can relate to.

[prydain]

I like the show, but I don't like comics. :)

[teentitan]

I like the show, but I don't like comics. :)

Same with my wife but she enjoys the show because as she says "it's just entertaining and it's been awhile since there has been a show like this."

[Angels baby101]

I dont know i've been watching the show now for like 3 weeks... I mean its good in some parts but... I dunno i find myself getting bored with it in others...

[goldenboy]

I'd be more into it if the characters were fleshed out, explored a little more. They still feel more like "types" than people to me at this point. It doesn't really work on multiple levels like Lost does.

But the story is starting to get intriguing. They need to pump up the action a little bit..

[prydain]

Do you not call a hand going through Nikki's chest and squeezing her heart the climax of an action sequence? ;)

[teentitan]

Well I guess we now know where the bomb comes from...
Though it was a slow show tonight the lines of distinction are starting to be established with the characters. Still think the kid is the wild card. He knows he's not talking to his mom but tells Jennifer where he is?!? And what about that electronic manipulation power?

[goldenboy]

Well I guess we now know where the bomb comes from..

You're talkin about Radiation Guy? That would seem like a good bet. If he's going over the edge with his wife dying...it's gotta be more complicated than that though..

And Micah's acting weird, indeed. Maybe he thinks he can save his mom somehow.

[Sin]

wow. i adore this show

peter petrelli is my absolute favorite character in the world. and, this may shock those who know me, i dont even find him attractive. i just find myself watching the show, thinking the entire time "ok, whens peter coming on? omg there's peter." i just love him.

micah is totally cool too. i think its crazy that he's an electrokinetic. it'd be cool too if he turned out to have some of the same abilities as his parents too.

the trailer for this next monday's episode looks great. it raises a lot of questions about claires dad.

oh yeah, just a question. have we been introduced to Linderman yet? i might have missed it...

[eponinethen]

oh yeah, just a question. have we been introduced to Linderman yet? i might have missed it...
Not as far as I know.

I dont know i've been watching the show now for like 3 weeks... I mean its good in some parts but... I dunno i find myself getting bored with it in others...
Yeah I know, I liked it a lot at first, and I find myself still really liking all the parts except for everything having to do with Nikki, her husband and Micah.. All the three of them are weird characters and actors and the storyline isn't interesting imo..

[goldenboy]

An interesting piece about Heroes, and how superheroes, comics are mutating in modern pop culture..

''In many ways, it seems mainstream culture is about 15 years behind comics,'' says Joe Quesada, editor-in-chief of Marvel Comics, who adds that a number of high-profile Hollywood writers who are comic book fans — like Buffy the Vampire Slayer's Joss Whedon, Clerks' Kevin Smith, and Lost's Damon Lindelof — were all profoundly shaped by the heady renaissance of the 1980s. Says Quesada: ''All those guys got into comics during a time that's reflected in Heroes — no costumes, no codenames; darker, edgier, more realistic.'' (We would be remiss if we didn't acknowledge that Bruce Willis' Superman-as-reluctant-Everyman fable Unbreakable beat Heroes to the punch.)

Of course, the ironic twist with Heroes is that it was created by a guy who actually wasn't a comic book fan at all. Tim Kring, best known for the crime drama Crossing Jordan, claims to be a big non-geek, despite a résumé that includes Knight Rider, Misfits of Science, and the short-lived minor cult classic Strange World. I recently had the chance to speak with Kring for EW's cover story on his new sensation, and the producer laughed at the notion that maybe an inner geek has long been bucking to burst free — he denies, in his words, ''a pollen burst of nerd that has exploded at mid-life.''

And yet, just as Alan Moore and his peers were reacting to and against an established history and commonly held knowledge of comic book tropes, Kring says Heroes was a response to the recent surge in superhero pop like The Incredibles. Indeed, astute comic book professionals like superstar scribe Brian K. Vaughan (Y: The Last Man, Ex Machina), who says he's a fan of Heroes, recognizes an important distinction in the show's creative makeup. ''A show like Buffy the Vampire Slayer is a closer approximation of a comic book than Heroes,'' says Vaughan. ''Buffy is like a guy who loves comic books doing a TV show, and Heroes feels like a guy who loves television doing a comic book. If Heroes is going to last, and I think it's going to, it can't just be about 'What if superheroes existed in the real world?' Because that's really an empty question. It has to be about what connects us as human beings and what responsibilities come with our abilities, and it seems to be tackling those questions. That's why it's connecting with people, much more than it's cool to see a guy fly or stop time.''
http://www.ew.com/ew/report/0,6115,1555891_3_0_,00.html

[Black Eye Guy]

Loved the new ep, I really like the storyline going on with Nikki and her family. Micah is intresting, he clearly knows how to use his powers, and knew of the existance of Jessica. There was moment where he said to his mom "I have a secret," but I don't remember what he said at the end of the sentence, but I know it was nothing to do with powers - but from then on I was suspecting it.

I loved the scene with the car explosion, that was cool. With every ep I like Peter more and more, he's really good character!

[eponinethen]

Hehe BEG that's the parts I dislike, mhm :D

'A show like Buffy the Vampire Slayer is a closer approximation of a comic book than Heroes. Buffy is like a guy who loves comic books doing a TV show, and Heroes feels like a guy who loves television doing a comic book.
I love Brian...

[teentitan]

So Claire's daddy works at a paper factory...wow who knew it was such a competitive industry that it would require that much security. But seriously he is not a bad guy, yeah. But does he work for the government? And now I understand by what he meant when he said to Apartment girl last week you can be more persuasive than that. Man she has intense eyes doesn't she?
Who thinks when Hiro pops back up that he will be fluent in English and be more focused on the mission?
I am really curious now about Silar. We sorta got our first glimpse of him last night. If I remember correctly I believe that watch he is wearing is US military issue. A hint maybe? And he has Atomic bomb guy now too.
Glad to see Saresh has a power and hey he has met his little sister. I just wish he would run the computer program I'm betting there is a boatload of info.
I really liked this episode and next weeks sounds real good.

[goldenboy]

I thought this was one of the better episodes. Maybe I'm just starting to warm to the characters a bit. I even liked that waitress that Hiro was talking to. Poor girl. That was a nasty way to go (whatever exactly happened).

If Silar's a government/military goon, this could get interesting.

[Sin]

ok, so it was a little sad to not see peter, but the episode was really good anyway. im really starting to like matt, the cop. (at least i think his name is matt). i was kinda confused with what was happening with mohinder. i thought at first that he had the ability to go back in time, but then it was a dream, then the little boy was in it. so is it the boy who has powers? and he was getting into mohinder's brain? or is it mohinder and the boy just happened to be there, telling him where to go and what to do? *confused*

[prydain]

This was one of the better episodes IMO too. The show is starting to grow on me. And even though I criticize it a lot in my mind, I must like it more than I realize because every episode seems more like 20 minutes than 42.

[teentitan]

ok, so it was a little sad to not see peter, but the episode was really good anyway. im really starting to like matt, the cop. (at least i think his name is matt). i was kinda confused with what was happening with mohinder. i thought at first that he had the ability to go back in time, but then it was a dream, then the little boy was in it. so is it the boy who has powers? and he was getting into mohinder's brain? or is it mohinder and the boy just happened to be there, telling him where to go and what to do? *confused*

Ok I don't think it's a little boy I think it's his sister.

[Sin]

oh really? :eek: lol oops, looked like a boy to me :scared: :wiggle:

[teentitan]

oh really? :eek: lol oops, looked like a boy to me :scared: :wiggle:

Hey I thought it was himself but then I realised he would recognize himself. I'm guessing it's his sister because of the file folder in the locked drawer and his mother telling him about his sister.
But yeah the child does look like a boy but if you look carefully it's hard to tell if the child is boy or girl.

[goldenboy]

Yeah, I think it's supposed to be his sis. So, what does that mean exactly? He can communicate with the dead? Or he doesn't have any specific power himself, just received a psychic message...

[prydain]

I think the boy/girl thing was giving him a dream.

[teentitan]

I think the boy/girl thing was giving him a dream.

Well he did fall asleep fast. I paused on a few things he found in the folder and it showed that there was a theory that the brain still learned even when you were asleep. Also the picture looked more feminine then the masculine look the character had during the show.
So maybe his sister does put him to sleep to show him events that have happened and to interact with him. I believe it is her power not his.

[teentitan]

Wow do I feel like a goof...got suckered into thinking the boy was his sister when the only purpose of the sister was the password. Mrs. TT still thinks the sister will factor into the show somehow. Who knew kids in India talked like confuscious? Look kid just because you guide people in their dreams means you get to be cyptic.
One saving grace I had (for my ego) was that I knew Peter was not going to die because he was going to be near Claire and absorb her healing powers. And I was a little disappointed that the writers made it look so obvious that the wrong cheerleader was going to be killed by Sylar. Wow did he miss his true calling in life having that scalpel like finger or what?
So the painting of flame boy does anyone think that's radiation guy going nuclear?
This was a good show! Next week looks interesting we get back info on all the main characters.

[goldenboy]

It was good. I don't know why, but I'm amazed at how brutal and bloody network TV can be these days. Just seems odd in this case, cos of the superhero premise. I don't know how many small tikes would actually be into this show...

I do like that it's so dark and violent though. And the little boy guru was a little annoying...kinda Yoda-like.

[Sin]

I KNEW that Eden had mind powers...at first, when Sylar walked up to her and she wasnt alarmed, I figured they were working together. And then she was just like "you dont want to hurt me" and he was just like .......

I think Peter is going to meet up with Matt which will be really cool because they're my two favorite characters.

I think Hiro's story is getting boring. Every time its a scene with him, I get distracted until someone else is on screen. The character is funny but his story line is quite dull.

The previews for next week make the Nikki/Jessica story look really interesting. That grave stone said "Jessica Sanders" and something about a "beloved daughter". Maybe Nikki and Jessica are sisters and some how merged bodies?

This episode was great and I was actually nervous about Peter.

:)






ps. I dont think DL is going to get hit with the bullet, I think it will go through him

[teentitan]

I KNEW that Eden had mind powers...at first, when Sylar walked up to her and she wasnt alarmed, I figured they were working together. And then she was just like "you dont want to hurt me" and he was just like .......

I think Hiro's story is getting boring. Every time its a scene with him, I get distracted until someone else is on screen. The character is funny but his story line is quite dull.



Well it was hinted at last epi that Eden had the power of influence when she made the painter take the heroin to paint the pic that ended up being 'flame boy'. (aka radiation guy going nuclear IMO)
As for Hiro I think he is the one character meant to be the nerd that the viewer/audience uses to look at the tv show as a comic book. And as Hiro matures the tv show will shift away from the comic book feeling to a sense of reality to the tv viewers.
I feel next weeks epi we are going to see the start of a big change in Hiro. Because if you remember Hiro froze time on the train and looked tough (especially with the samurai sword), spoke perfect English and gave a very distinct order to Peter.
Also Hiro's intention to go back in time was to save Charlie, the waitress, but it seems he does not save her (his friend is still in the cafe and the memorial for Charlie is still there) so to me that indicates that Hiro learns he has to make the tough choice's on who lives and who dies to achieve the end result of saving the world.

[prydain]

I really, really enjoyed this episode. This is such an uneven show, but for the most part, it seems to get better each week. This week, I was most interested in Claire's storyline, and I enjoyed Peter a lot more when he was with her - a lot of times he bugs me, but not this week. Nikki/Jessica's story was a little dull this week, not completely boring, but whatever.

The scene where Jackie is killed by Sylar was cool, but at the same time, quite uncomfortable and I felt like it dragged on a few seconds to long. And I would just like to state that I've never met cheerleaders like on this show, this show plays the stereotypes but most cheerleaders are a lot nicer than that.

I'm glad we saw so little of Hiro, he's really annoying lately.

BTW, is anyone else amazed at how the ratings for this show keep going up? I mean, the show is not the best sci-fi show that's been on TV the last five years, so why does THIS one do so well in ratings and keep improving?! But I don't know why I'm complaining, I don't want the show to get canceled or anything.

[Sin]

BTW, is anyone else amazed at how the ratings for this show keep going up? I mean, the show is not the best sci-fi show that's been on TV the last five years, so why does THIS one do so well in ratings and keep improving?! But I don't know why I'm complaining, I don't want the show to get canceled or anything.

I think it may have something to do with either

a) being similar to x men which is one of the most popular comics/storylines ever

and/or

b) a lot of sci-fi shows have a lot of "out there" plots that everyday people cant relate to, where this one may eventually be possible, with human evolution. basically, its not a city on some undiscovered planet with humans and aliens as neighbors and people who arent always sci-fi fans can identify with it more






those are my theories

[teentitan]

I think the ratings are high because it is a simple series and tv viewers are enjoying a serial without having to have a notebook and set of encyclopedias infront of them to decipher the numerous sub-plots, like in Lost.
Plus it is very craftly written and laid out. We now are looking at the series on the level of past, present and future to see if these everyday folks will save the world now that they have saved the cheerleader.

[Mr Pointy]

It looks like we UK SF fans are going to get a chance to see Heroes for ourselves soon

From the BBC Press Office
Heroes, the top-rating new series for the coveted 18 to 49 year old age group in America this season, is to be screened on BBC Two next year.

I'm quite looking forward to it after reading some of the good things you guys have said about it.

Original BBC press release (http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressreleases/stories/2006/11_november/23/heroes.shtml)

[teentitan]

So now that we know Jessica is Nicki's dead 9 year old sister what exactly is Nicki's power? Either she channels the dead or Jessica was a twin sister and they are sharing the same body maybe?
And just how does Saresh know which people have powers? Is his dead daughter helping him? And if so will she help her brother?
Hiro just got his first 'maturity' lesson tonight and I liked it. This show is really starting to get good.

[goldenboy]

I really liked that ep. The flashback structure really helps with serialized dramas for some reason. Just adds more depth, something...

I recognized the Sylar guy from season 3 of 24.

[N4H]

I arrived at last night's episode late, and I have to confess I was completely lost. It makes me wonder about something. Does this heavily serialized structure prevent anyone coming into the story late, and getting connected to the series.

What was Hiro up to? It seemed to be kind of a Daybreak thing, where he had to keep going into the past to alter the future in order to convince the waitress she was in danger, and needed his help? But what was the problem there? Why did it take all episode. Why didn't he just do it right away?

[goldenboy]

Honestly, I forgot half of what happened with Hiro last night. This show doesn't stick in my brain like the great shows do.

It seemed like Hiro was attempting to get the waitress to come with him to Japan to avoid the murder? Is that right? But it didn't work out. And she informed Hiro that she has a brain tumor, or something.

Hiro seemed to come to the conclusion that he can't alter the past in any meaningful way. Not sure...

Titan will know. He picks these eps apart with a fine-toothed comb...

[teentitan]

Titan will know. He picks these eps apart with a fine-toothed comb...

Ahhhhh thanks...I think, lol
Hiro found out that his power was bigger then him. When he tried to save the girl he found out that his power was not meant to change what happened. I think he will come to realize he can't change 'what' happened but he can drop hints to stop things that 'will' happen by time jumping. Like I've commented on before as Hiro matures from comic book nerd to a man who takes his power seriously the show will mature as well.

If anyone was jumping into the series and picked this show to start all I got to say is "bad choice". This one is a stand alone only meant to explain how each character handled or coped with their powers. I think this one was for the viewers who have watched from show 1. Also for the viewers I think this episode will be the ice breaker when some of these characters com together to stop NY from blowing up.