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goldenboy
09-24-2007, 11:55 AM
Ahmadinejad, protestors face off

By David Freedlander, amNewYork Staff Writer, Jamshid Mousavinezhad, amNY.com, and Jennifer Barrios, Newsday


Columbia University was a tale of two rallies Monday afternoon, as protestors and students awaited an on-campus speech by controversial Iranian leader Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

Hundreds of vocal anti-Ahmadinejad protestors swarmed the sidewalks outside the university's main gates on 116th Street and Broadway, with Never Again signs and Israeli and American flags. The crowd was swelled by a swarm of media outlets.

University security guards were checking anyone who approached the gates, and only allowing those with Columbia IDs to enter the campus.

Inside Columbia, a significantly larger and calmer crowd of about a thousand was attending a free speech rally with an open microphone. Speakers, mostly students, took turns denouncing Ahmadinejad, while supporting his right to speak.

"I think it's important people stop shouting and start listening to each other," said Phyllis Berman, who was holding a sign that read '2/3rds of my family were killed in the Holocaust'.

Berman said she abhorred Ahmadinejad's views, but generally supported free speech.

Gesturing at the contrasting groups, she added, "I don't know which side I'm on."

Ahmadinejad was due to speak as part of Columbia's World Leader's Forum, planning to bring "alternative views" to the United States audience.

Some of those views, such as his position that the Holocaust did not happen and that the state of Israel should be destroyed, have sparked international fury and have made his trip here to attend the United Nations' General Assembly contentious even before it starts.

Last week, Ahmadinejad made headlines by asking for permission to lay a wreath at Ground Zero.

The New York Police Department nixed the request, citing security concerns, but also acknowledging the heated opposition to the site visit from New Yorkers and other Americans who consider Iran to be a state sponsor of terrorism.

Speaking on CBS News' "60 Minutes" program Sunday night, Ahmadinejad said he would not press the issue, saying he merely wanted to honor the victims. But he also obliquely referred to the visit as an opportunity to voice his thoughts about why 9/11 occurred.

"Usually you go to these sites to pay your respects," Ahmadinejad said in the interview. "And also to perhaps air your views about the root causes of such incidents."

The 60 Minutes interview also touched on Iran's alleged pursuit of a nuclear weapon, which Ahmadinejad denies, and his country's involvement in supplying weapons used against American troops in Iraq.

"American officials wherever around the world that they encounter a problem which they fail to resolve, instead of accepting that, they prefer to accuse others," Ahmadinejad said.

The Tehran-based Press TV reported Sunday that Ahmadinejad planned to present "alternate views" to the American people during his visit.

"The Americans, have for some reasons, been deprived of access to accurate and transparent information regarding the global developments and are enthusiastic to become aware of alternative views," the news agency quotes Ahmadinejad as saying.

Ahmadinejad's visit sparked outrage from presidential candidates, politicians and the public.

Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-N.Y.), who joined virtually every local elected official last week in rebuffing the Iranian leader's request to visit Ground Zero, took aim at Columbia University President Lee Bollinger for allowing Ahmadinejad to speak on campus.

"If I were a president of the university, I would not have invited him," Clinton told CNN's Wolf Blitzer. "He's a Holocaust denier. He's a supporter of terrorism. But I also respect the right in our country to make different decisions."

The U.S. Secret Service will provide a security detail for Ahmadinejad.

Because the U.S. has no official diplomatic relations with Iran, which it considers a state sponsor of terrorism, the Iranian president and his contingent are restricted to a 25-mile radius of the U.N.

Ahmadinejad, protestors face off -- Newsday.com (http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/am-iran0925,0,5474167.story?coll=ny_home_rail_headlin es)


Honestly, I wanna see the Q&A part. He's just gonna BS, tap dance his way through it I'm sure, but I'd like to hear the questions he gets.

N4H
09-24-2007, 12:13 PM
Yeah he's slick, and without rebuttal, there's no opportunity to challenge him. He'll perform well I'm sure. I thought the guy who interviewed him for 60 minutes last night did a much better job than Mike Wallace did. I think interviewers are wise to his tricks now.

goldenboy
09-24-2007, 01:51 PM
I'm listening to bits on the radio. God, it's painful, heh.

Someone just asked him point blank about capital punishment for adulterers, homosexuals...he's just sidestepping everything. I'm kind of shocked how much actual applause he's getting on certain points. Gotta wonder about the Columbia student body...

"In Iran, we don't have homosexuals like in your country." LOL

Gollanth
09-24-2007, 04:25 PM
......In Iran, we don't have homosexuals like in your country." LOL
Actually, that's probably true. They've all left, for fear of being flogged or hung or something.

goldenboy
09-24-2007, 04:40 PM
Yeah, quite possibly. You read about Iranian teenage girls being hanged for "crimes against chastity", etc...

It was just absurd. He was referring to gay people as a "phenomenon". He was totally obfuscating, answering questions with other questions, etc.

N4H
09-24-2007, 05:16 PM
You guys missed the whole remark in the translation though. Luckily for you, I happen to speak fluent Iranian.

What he actually said was, "In Iran, we don't have homosexuals like in your country... Damn it". ;)

Gollanth
09-25-2007, 12:03 AM
I didn't see or hear any of this interview, but it strikes me he could well be related to "Comical Ali".......

goldenboy
09-25-2007, 07:38 AM
I wonder how this all plays out on Iranian State TV. I assume they'll edit out the Columbia Prez chewing Jad out in his introduction, the students laughing at him. Wonder how much Internet access in Iran is free and uncensored...

Ahh, something official...

IRI President addresses students at Colombia University - Irna (http://www2.irna.ir/en/news/view/line-24/0709252616013529.htm)

teentitan
09-25-2007, 09:18 AM
What is un-freakn-believable is Columbia University "invites" this *ahem* head of state to speak at their university and trash him and call him a tyrant but they ban any ROTC activity or recruiting on the campus?!?
I don't know wether this is classified as hypocritical or ironic?

goldenboy
09-25-2007, 09:45 AM
Yeah, they ban the ROTC. Students stormed the stage when a Minutemen guy was speaking another time.

Everything Lee Bollinger said up front was true but...it came off as just a bit sanctimonious, clumsy. Not sure how Columbia benefits from this.

teentitan
09-25-2007, 03:03 PM
It actually shows how pathetic their political science program is. When the president of the university rip a strip off a foreign dignitary, one he personally invited him for 'intellectual' converstaion it makes the university look shallow. Especially when this university has a president or two that has sat in the oval office.

Gollanth
09-25-2007, 04:03 PM
But isn't that just typical of the whole political scene? Say one thing, do another?

On a somewhat unrelated note, I returned to my office today, to overhear one of my colleagues telling somebody on the phone (who turned out to be one of my friends) that "I'd gone to book my flight to Iran, just to prove Armadillojad wrong!!!" lmao

You have to give her credit for inventiveness.

teentitan
09-25-2007, 04:08 PM
But isn't that just typical of the whole political scene? Say one thing, do another?


Yes but it is not supposed to be done out in the open. It has to take place in the backrooms to eliminate accountability for ones actions.

goldenboy
09-26-2007, 11:35 AM
Iran's President scrubs reference to gays in speech from site

The official website of Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has removed a portion of a transcript of his speech yesterday at Columbia University. In the scrubbed section, part of a question and answer period, Ahmadinejad said there are no homosexuals in Iran.

In a statement released by the International Gay and Lesbian Human Rights Commission the organization noted that the comments had been removed from the Persian language version of the site, but left in the English transcription of the speech. Following an inquiry by PageOneQ made to the Iranian embassy, the entire question and answer period has been removed from the site.
PageOneQ | Iran's President scrubs reference to gays in speech from site (http://pageoneq.com/news/2007/Irans_President_scrubs_reference_to_gays_in_speech _fr_0925.html)