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goldenboy

09-25-2007, 03:46 PM

OK, quoting OP-EDs probably wasn't the point of this thread, but this was interesting...

it’s evident that if you want to understand the future of the Democratic Party you can learn almost nothing from the bloggers, billionaires and activists on the left who make up the “netroots.” You can learn most of what you need to know by paying attention to two different groups — high school educated women in the Midwest, and the old Clinton establishment in Washington.

In the first place, the netroots candidates are losing. In the various polls on the Daily Kos Web site, John Edwards, Barack Obama and even Al Gore crush Hillary Clinton, who limps in with 2 percent to 10 percent of the vote.

Moguls like David Geffen have fled for Obama. But the party as a whole is going the other way. Hillary Clinton has established a commanding lead.

Second, Clinton is drawing her support from the other demographic end of the party. As the journalist Ron Brownstein and others have noted, Democratic primary contests follow a general pattern. There are a few candidates who represent the affluent, educated intelligentsia (Eugene McCarthy, Bill Bradley) and they usually end up getting beaten by the candidate of the less educated, lower middle class.
The Center Holds - New York Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/25/opinion/25brooks.html?ex=1348459200&en=5507248655425c27&ei=5124&partner=permalink&exprod=permalink)

Gollanth

09-25-2007, 04:01 PM

......John McCain kinda crashed and burned early on. ......

But isn't he going to find it difficult fitting in a political career around all those films? I mean, isn't Die Hard 967 due out soon? :D

teentitan

09-25-2007, 04:04 PM

IMO Hillary and Barack are going to get their butts handed to them...soon. Today a certain eco-warrior is scheduled to speak at the UN. If he gets favourable op-eds over the next week or two he has a war chest for an election that is bursting at the seems from his recent windfalls at the Oscars and the Emmys. He has the hollywood A list in his hip pocket, he has lost a lot of weight lately, a huge following of treehugging-berkenstock wearing citizens because he has a platform or should I say pulpit to preach from that has thier attention because they have all said the debate is over.
Figured out who I'm talking about? Al Gore.

N4H

09-25-2007, 04:42 PM

I think I'm gonna puke.

Miffed67

09-25-2007, 07:02 PM

You and me both.

goldenboy

09-26-2007, 08:20 AM

Seems to me like Gore kind of abandoned any perception he had as a moderate, middle of the road Dem. He went on his awkward screeching tirades (http://www.mediaresearch.org/cyberalerts/2004/cyb20040210.asp#1) against Bush and the war—kind of reaching out to the fringy left of the Democrat party. And isn't there at least a minor backlash against his eco-nagging? I dunno.

To me, he now seems like a boutique, Barack-Edwards-style candidate of the Hollywood elites and the bloggers that that OP-ED was dissing. But if he's got the funds...

N4H

09-26-2007, 12:49 PM

Gore has shown an ability to remake himself. He's kind of the political Madonna.

goldenboy

09-26-2007, 01:46 PM

Yeah, he was a robot. Seems like ancient history now. Robotic Al Gore. Then the earth tones phase, then his bearded professorial phase. And presently, the eco warrior.

N4H

10-17-2007, 05:26 PM

Here's another one of those who would you vote for polls, but this one is more like who "should" you vote for, and it's actually fun.

Candidate match game - USATODAY.com (http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/candidate-match-game.htm)

They have all the candidates on a graph. They ask you questions. As you answer the little head of your candidate floats to the top.

Apparently if I was American I should vote for Chris Todd (I don't even know who he is), then Ron Paul (Libertarian, I get that), then Barrack Obama (another Democrat. I didn't know I was such a raging lefty)

Edit

Oh, and there's these little slider bars where you can adjust for the issues that are the most important to you. I get different results with those. Ron Paul floats to the top, and who's Fred Thompson?

Vilandra

10-17-2007, 05:46 PM

Fred Thompson is the former senator from Tennessee who has also been an actor. He's in The Hunt for Red October for example - he usually plays a military guy. You probably would recognize him.

I got Rudy G ;)

goldenboy

10-18-2007, 08:56 AM

I actually got Bill Richardson, then Rudy, then Barack. Huh.

GOP front runner or Buffy villain? You decide. (http://www.americablog.com/2007/09/gop-front-runner-or-buffy-villain-you.html)

Gollanth

10-18-2007, 02:03 PM

I couldn't really answer some of the questions properly (I don't know anything about your tax system for example) but I got:

1. Dennis Kucinich
2. Bill Richardson
3. Mitt Romney

Not that I've ever heard of any of them........:lol2:

goldenboy

03-15-2008, 07:48 PM

So, who's been following this thing with Barack and his pastor?

- Google News (http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&tab=wn&ncl=1141028193)

I was thinking he had the Democratic nom all sewn up. I can't tell anymore. What a wild and wacky campaign this has been.

N4H

03-16-2008, 05:56 PM

Yeah, but that's actual news. :)
What do you think of this Larry Sinclair/Obama, allegations of gay sex, and drug use, thing for entertaining, attention-seeking, unfettered, sensationalism?

YouTube - OBAMA'S LIMO SEX DRUG PARTY

What a hillbilly.

goldenboy

03-16-2008, 06:39 PM

Hmm. Senators and gay sex allegations. A lot of that going around lately, lol. But whatever. Hillbilly boy should go on that FOX show, Moment of Truth.

N4H

03-16-2008, 08:51 PM

The way your presidential election looks when viewing it from the other side of the Northern border, it looks like it's going to be decided by the Democratic party election - like there's Clinton, Obama, and nobody else between them and the presidency. Like the actual presidential election is just a technicality. Is that the way it feels down there where it's actually happening as well?

It's hard to tell from up here, because the right might run our government, but the left runs our media.

Miffed67

03-16-2008, 09:18 PM

I can only speak for myself, but yes, that's what I feel is going on, too. I don't think the Republicans have a snowball's chance in hell, imo. We're looking at a Democrat President, the two choices being Clinton and Obama, depending on who wins the hotly contested party nomination.

goldenboy

03-17-2008, 07:49 AM

If the economy continues to tank, McCain's got no shot, seems like. I guess if any more skeletons fall out of Obama's or Clinton's closets, things could still be up in the air. We'll see how nasty things get towards the end.

Miffed67

03-17-2008, 11:46 AM

Well, and I keep thinking that Hillary's going to make serious overtures to Obama's campaign about a combined ticket. I heard she had already, but I don't know how serious the inquiries were and I didn't see an in-depth story on the matter.

Obama's distancing himself from his church and pastor is all very strange and points to a shift in the political climate to me, away from the message that only hard line Christians are worthy of social acceptance and status toward a more secular outlook. At the beginning of his campaign, he touted membership and close ties with his church to all and sundry....now, because his pastor makes some inflammatory remarks, he's dissassociating. Wishy-washy to me.....it smacks of trying to please everyone, which isn't possible.

goldenboy

03-17-2008, 12:33 PM

The most cynical speculation I've heard is that Obama originally chose that church because he needed "street cred" to build up a base of support within the black community in Chicago...like he was mapping out a plan of attack to become a state senator. But this pastor's liberation theology message doesn't exactly play well on a national level, out in middle America (obviously).

So...he was ignorant of his pastor's views (for 20 years)? He's said this guy was a friend, his spiritual advisor. What are we supposed to think?

It does seem like he and Hillary could/would/should strike a deal for the ticket. It's hard to imagine either one settling for VP though.

Gollanth

03-17-2008, 02:33 PM

I've heard some rumour about Obama that he was raised a hardline Moslem and is now trying to hide the fact. His father is, apparently, a fairly radical Imam of the central mosque of somewhere-or-the-other. (I don't recall where, but I don't think it was in the US.)

I dunno how true it is, but I think it'd throw the cat among the pigeons if it was.........

goldenboy

03-17-2008, 02:52 PM

I think that's been debunked (that he attended a madrassa in Indonesia).

Snopes breaks it down in detail:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp

Miffed67

03-17-2008, 03:56 PM

The most cynical speculation I've heard is that Obama originally chose that church because he needed "street cred" to build up a base of support within the black community in Chicago...like he was mapping out a plan of attack to become a state senator. But this pastor's liberation theology message doesn't exactly play well on a national level, out in middle America (obviously). Yeah, I can see that being true.

It does seem like he and Hillary could/would/should strike a deal for the ticket. It's hard to imagine either one settling for VP though.Imo, it all comes down to whether Hillary thinks she can use the Vice Presidency to eventually get in to the Oval Office, like if she decides it's not quite her time but in 4 or 8 years, it will be. AND it depends on who actually wins the nomination, of course. I think if Obama gets it, Hillary will take the VP's seat, if asked. If Clinton gets it, Obama will bide his time for the next round.

Gollanth

03-18-2008, 01:47 PM

So long as GWB leaves office, I don't really have much of a preference.

I'll be interested to see if, on the day, the Southern states do actually step up to the plate and put their support behind Obama though.

I just can't see a black President somehow - though not, I might add, from any personally racist views. I don't honestly see the (mostly) Conservative US voting for someone so vastly different to previous incumbents. I also have a mighty fear that if he does get elected, he might find himself ending his term in office in the same manner as poor JFK.

I hope I'm proved wrong on both counts, but I'm waiting to see.

Edit: Miffed?.....I shall surely die from the shock!! :D

goldenboy

03-18-2008, 03:09 PM

I can totally see the US electing a black president. I could have imagined Colin Powell getting elected 8, 12 years ago, had he chosen to run. I wonder if it wouldn't actually be easier for a moderate black Republican to get elected, if that doesn't sound too counterintuitive.

Obama has been getting so close to the prize—to the extent that he's stressed ideas of bringing people together, of projecting an aura of being mainstream, relatively moderate.

Thing is, based on his voting record in the Senate, he's quite far left, by US standards. I just wonder what's gonna happen if he does get the Democratic nom and people actually start to take a look at his record and policy proposals. And this latest thing with his church...it's just not consistent with the image he's been cultivating, at all.

As far as a JFK scenario...anything's possible. But I'm thinking the South, the country really is quite a bit different than it was in '63.

Gollanth

03-18-2008, 03:56 PM

.......As far as a JFK scenario...anything's possible. But I'm thinking the South, the country really is quite a bit different than it was in '63.

Hmm....but different enough?

Miffed67

03-18-2008, 07:25 PM

Edit: Miffed?.....I shall surely die from the shock!! :D

Ha! Smart*ss!

You have a point...we have come a long way since the 60's, but I can still see that issue dividing us. There are still A LOT of racists and otherwise close-minded people out there. Enough for it to be uncomfortable.

N4H

05-15-2008, 12:01 AM

So what's up with that whole Libertarian thing that was getting all the internet play earlier in the year? Ron Paul's a non-issue now, right? What about this Bob Barr guy? Can he get enough votes in a federal election just to get the major parties to wake up to the idea people are starting to look for something else? He's a great protest vote don't you think? I mean he's not going to get in, but at least you have the satisfaction of saying about whoever does, "Hey, don't blame me, I didn't vote for him/her".

Velvet Sky

05-24-2008, 07:12 PM

I probably should pay more attention to things, but so often politics annoy me, because I never really agree with any of them. *L* The one I think I most agreed with was never really going to get their party nomination. In a way, I'm all for finding ways to get third parties recognized, because neither of the 'big two' seem to be entities I really agree with. They're both so bought and paid for by other interests. However, I'll probably be voting for my party of choice, of the big two, anyway, just because it seems like it's going to be a tight race come November.

Miffed67

06-05-2008, 04:29 PM

So....what does everyone think about Obama's securing the Democratic Party nomination. Now the race REALLY begins!

goldenboy

06-05-2008, 05:55 PM

I hadn't really watched the Dem debates (just read about them a bit). But I'm curious to see McCain and Obama go head to head. Barack's a better, more charismatic speaker (which isn't saying much compared to McCain). I'm more skeptical of his policy ideas though. I don't think much would come of talking to an Ahmadinejad or a Chavez (for instance).

I wanna see these two guys try to tear eachother's arguments apart.

N4H

06-06-2008, 01:39 AM

Man, I don't envy you guys your choice down there. It's choosing between wrong and wronger, and it's hard to tell which is which.

Velvet Sky

06-06-2008, 01:41 AM

Yeah, and that's pretty much ALWAYS the choice. Lesser of two evils, and sometimes it's hard to tell which is which. I know who I'm voting for, who for me, is the less of the two. But like I said, the guy who's ideas I really lined up with in my party of choice, never stood a chance at getting the vote in the party even. So he was never going to get to run nation wide. So it goes... I guess...

Miffed67

06-06-2008, 04:22 PM

But I'm curious to see McCain and Obama go head to head.

Iirc, they're supposed to be scheduling some Town Hall debates, aren't they? I'll have to tune in for that.

Man, I don't envy you guys your choice down there. It's choosing between wrong and wronger, and it's hard to tell which is which.I think I'll move to Canada..... :wave:

N4H

08-30-2008, 03:13 AM

I've been googling and youtubing around today on Sarah Palin, and I've decided I like her. I want to change my vote. I want to vote Republican now (as soon as I can figure out how a Canadian can do that). ;)

I think that was an inspired choice for VP on McCain's part. I didn't think McCain had a prayer, but he's been fighting this campaign smart so far. I was going anti on him before, because I didn't like his wishy-washy policy on energy, but lately he seems to be walking into the light. I think signing Sarah on as VP confirms this.

teentitan

08-30-2008, 09:36 AM

Well I will give McCain this in choosing his VP...he did what Obama should have done pick a female VP. I was wondering what that rumbling was in the States yesterday it was Hillary supporters running from Denver to Minnesota.

goldenboy

09-03-2008, 11:02 AM

Palin's apparently been holed up in her room in the Hilton in Minneapolis, working on her speech for tonight. Whether or not McCain thoroughly vetted her, she's gonna be the most thoroughly vetted VP candidate in history, when all is said and done (the press will take care of that). We know bits about TrooperGate, GrandmaGate, her husband's driving record going back a few decades...

All the differing reactions to her have been fascinating...I just wanna hear her speech, get a better sense of her style, priorities.

N4H

09-03-2008, 10:46 PM

She came out swinging, eh? Is she fun to watch, or what? I can hardly wait to see her debate Biden. I've seen her debate on Video. She can hold her own.

Gotta link for that speech yet?

goldenboy

09-04-2008, 06:44 AM

She came out swinging, eh? Is she fun to watch, or what? I can hardly wait to see her debate Biden. I've seen her debate on Video. She can hold her own.

Gotta link for that speech yet?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKgNrb3baNM&eurl=http://www.gopconvention2008.com/videos/

That was entertaining. I was surprised at how many Obama put-downs there were, but that's really the VP's job in this kind of setting. Attack dog.

The next couple of months are gonna be interesting. There is so much contempt for this woman out there...just in checking out forums, youtube comments, etc...

teentitan

09-04-2008, 10:23 AM

I think if the media keeps bashing and dismissing this woman about being a woman with no experience it is going to unite most women to vote her into office. As the saying goes "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned".

goldenboy

09-04-2008, 12:48 PM

I've been reading these threads on the Hillary site that N4H linked. Really interesting. They love Hillary and are so bitter about Obama...and now they love Sarah Palin—ideology be damned.

LIVE: Republican Convention, Day 3 (Sep 3, 2008): all discussion here please - Sarah Palin Speech, etc. - www.hillaryclintonforum.net (http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/showthread.php?t=27423)

Gollanth

09-04-2008, 01:12 PM

I never fail to be amazed how, in US politics, it seems to be perfectly in order to lambast the opposition's personal life. I think private lives have no place in political speeches.

It doesn't happen over here, as our broadcasting rules are more stringent about that kinda stuff than in the US, but it kinda makes me think that I wouldn't vote for somebody who consistently dished the dirt on another candidate. I wanna hear about what they intend to do if they're elected, not who their opposite number has allegedly been doing.

Edit: And if this site got any slower this evening, it'd be quicker for me to write the damn post on a piece of paper, fly over to the US and push it through your respective front doors!!

goldenboy

09-04-2008, 01:34 PM

JFK (with his womanizing) would never have been elected to anything in today's media environment. Maybe not even Martin Luther King. Dirt would be dug up on them or their wives or children or whatever...

To his credit, Obama keeps telling the press to lay off of Palin's kids. Not that it'll actually have an effect.

teentitan

09-04-2008, 02:52 PM

A parties platform is nothing but "fluff" for the media. USA and Canada love the dirt, the gossip because let's face it just how many entertainment news shows are now on tv?
Also the news media outlets are so damn biased that trying to get the facts you have to wade hip-deep into BS and heaven forbid if you ask a sensible question you get bashed. I sent a letter to the editor about wanting more information on a parties platform that a sitting politician actually accused me of being a fear mongerer in a rebuttal letter in the same paper the very next day! All I was looking for was some facts to back up what they were saying. When I vote I want to know as much as possible about the platform NOT if they smoked a cigarette behind the school when they were 14 years old or had a beer when they were 16. Hell we all do that when we are kids!
It's sad that dancers and singers get a bigger voter turnout then voting for the leader of your country!?!

N4H

09-04-2008, 03:11 PM

You guys know my bias, I think. Here's all I have to know to be pro-Palin.

Sarah Palin on Energy (http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NzYyMmU0ODE1ZjFlMjZkODcwNTdiOTgzYjI4ODdlYWI)

goldenboy

09-05-2008, 11:59 AM

WASHINGTON, D.C. - Paul G. Kirk, Jr. and Frank J. Fahrenkopf, Jr., co-chairmen of the non-partisan Commission on Presidential Debates (CPD), today announced the moderators for the 2008 general election presidential and vice presidential debates. The moderators, and the schedule and locations for the debates (as announced on November 21, 2007), are as follows:

First presidential debate
Friday, September 26
The University of Mississippi, Oxford, Miss.
Jim Lehrer
Executive Editor and Anchor, The NewsHour, PBS

Vice presidential debate
Thursday, October 2
Washington University in St. Louis, Mo.
Gwen Ifill
Senior Correspondent, The NewsHour, and Moderator and Managing Editor, Washington Week, PBS

Second presidential debate (town meeting)
Tuesday, October 7
Belmont University, Nashville, Tenn.
Tom Brokaw
Special Correspondent, NBC News

Third presidential debate
Wednesday, October 15
Hofstra University, Hempstead, N.Y.
Bob Schieffer
CBS News Chief Washington Correspondent, and Host, Face the Nation

Each debate will begin at 9:00 p.m. EST.

Format

The format for the debates, announced on November 21, 2007, will be:

* Each debate will have a single moderator and last for 90 minutes.

* In the first and third presidential debates and the vice presidential debate, the candidates will be seated with the moderator at a table.

* One presidential debate will focus primarily on domestic policy and one presidential debate will focus primarily on foreign policy. The second presidential debate will be held as a town meeting in which citizens will pose questions to the candidates. The vice presidential debate will cover both foreign and domestic topics.

* During the first and third presidential debates, and the vice presidential debate, the time will be divided into eight, ten-minute segments. The moderator will introduce each segment with an issue on which each candidate will comment, after which the moderator will facilitate further discussion of the issue, including direct exchange between the candidates for the balance of that segment.

* The participants in the town meeting will pose their questions to the candidates after reviewing their questions with the moderator for the sole purpose of avoiding duplication. The participants will be chosen by the Gallup Organization and will be undecided voters from the Nashville, Tenn. standard metropolitan statistical area. During the town meeting, the moderator has discretion to use questions submitted by Internet.

*Time at the end of the final presidential debate will be reserved for closing statements.
CPD: Commission on Presidential Debates Announces 2004 Sites and Dates (http://www.debates.org/pages/news_111908.html)

Edit:

Good news for N4H :) (although I know you're skeptical about surveys)

Palin Power: Fresh Face Now More Popular Than Obama, McCain (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/palin_power_fresh_face_now_more_popular_than_obama _mccain)

Perhaps most stunning is the fact that Palin’s favorable ratings are now a point higher than either man at the top of the Presidential tickets this year. As of Friday morning, Obama and McCain are each viewed favorably by 57% of voters. Biden is viewed favorably by 48%.

There is a strong partisan gap when it comes to perceptions of Palin. Eighty-nine percent (89%) of Republicans give her favorable reviews along with 33% of Democrats and 59% of voters not affiliated with either major party.

She earns positive reviews from 65% of men and 52% of women. The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll shows that Obama continues to lead McCain among women voters while McCain leads among men. The Friday morning update—the first to include interviews conducted after Palin’s speech--showed the beginning of a Republican convention bounce that may match Obama’s bounce from last week.

Fifty-one percent (51%) of Americans believe that most reporters are trying to hurt Palin’s campaign, a fact that may enhance her own ratings.

N4H

09-05-2008, 12:58 PM

I wonder which debate will get better ratings? McCain vs Obama # 1, or Palin vs Biden. In any other campaign it would be the first one. I expect the Palin/Biden faceoff to be a bit of a media event though.

Gollanth

09-08-2008, 02:28 AM

I read yesterday that our Canadian cousins are off to the ballot boxes soon.

It amuses me that, over here, our news is always full of the US elections, while the coming Canadian jobbie is relegated to three lines at the bottom of a page. I'll lay money that we won't ever get to find out who wins either - unless we care to do a little digging around on the 'net. I suspect the news will find itself placed among those tiny newspaper columns at the bottom of page 47, containing items like Man marries sheep in Bolivia or Name of Allah discovered in tortilla.

How come, I wonder? I suspect that a lot of people on this side of the pond don't think there's much of a difference between the US and Canada, so I wonder why we never get to hear about what's going on there?

teentitan

09-08-2008, 10:33 AM

Just think of us as that 'questionable cousin' that no one talks to at family reunions Gollanth, lol. Seriously though we hear very little about British politics unless one digs thru the internet or tunes into BBC Canada to get world news.

N4H

09-08-2008, 02:38 PM

Wanna a link to my favorite Canadian News site Gollanth, so you can keep up?

CanadaKicksAss.net (http://www.canadaka.net/)

I get a kick out of it, because when you get into the forums section it represents the more radical views from both sides of the political teeter-totter.

You may not be so fond of it though, because it blazes all countries which aren't Canada (including those in the UK). In its defense, it also flames Canada.

Gollanth

09-09-2008, 09:40 AM

Oh, I can handle a little criticism: I know we're not a perfect Country by any means. I'll probably have a look later, when I've eaten something.

Thanx for that.

goldenboy

09-10-2008, 03:38 PM

Matt Damon is terrified of Sarah Palin apparently..

‘Like A Really Bad Disney Movie’: Actor Matt Damon Condemns Sarah Palin (http://www.breitbart.tv/html/171553.html)

N4H

09-10-2008, 04:17 PM

Yeah, the usual roll call of celebrities are stepping up to support the Democrat ticket.

It makes me think of this other clever thing the McCain campaign did. The Republican campaign stratagems get vocal critque when they first pop up, but when you look back at them they're kind of sneaky smart.

Do you remember how at the beginning of the campaign the Republicans went after celebrity interference in politics? This was before the celeb arm of the Democratic machine had a chance to get vocal. The republicans put a meme in the collective unconscious of voters that celebs were going to try to influence their opinions, and questioned whether or not you were going to let them to it. The Democrats' response was to attack the strategy. It got even more media play out of being attacked. At this point all the Republicans had to do was back away. They don't have to respond to attacks from Democrat celebs now like Damon, or Michael Moore, or Joy Behar, or Whoopi Goldberg. The idea celeb opinions should not only be rejected, but offer stimulus to accept the policies they critique is embedded in the American sub conscious. The Republicans can now ignore celeb attacks, and appear to be taking the high ground. Brilliant, I think.

teentitan

09-10-2008, 04:36 PM

I just love elections in the US or Canada it brings out all the pompous celebrity arseholes who think they have the right to tell me how to vote. Well I couldn't give a fiddler's fudge what he or anyother narcassistic celeb thinks! I have the common sense to vote for the party that is not going to rob me blind by taxation because I do not have the mega millions these empty headed, self centered, latte drinking, birkenstock, treehugging, mansion living mouth breathers have! So Matt jump into your gas guzzling SUV drive to the airport and hop aboard a jet to promote another movie or charity but make sure you donate a couple thousand to eliminate your carbon footprint but get the tax receipt so you can have a clear conscious! Also your highness the carbon footprint you leave in making one of your movies will be 100 times larger then the carbon footprint I will leave from my whole life!

goldenboy

09-10-2008, 04:47 PM

Also, it's interesting, the little trickle of conservative celebs that have come out of the closet since 9/11 in particular. Kelsey Grammar, Bruce Willis, Ron Silver, James Woods, Jon Voight, David Zucker (who calls himself a classical, Kennedy liberal).

Does Zucker's new one look horrible? :) Can't tell for sure. Jingoistic country music really depresses me for one thing. It's just surreal to see an actual Hollywood film coming out with a plainly conservative slant.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CYSGCoflAA

I still say that most overtly political art sucks. Just does. I guess South Park gets in some good jabs with a political slant here and there.

Gollanth

09-11-2008, 12:57 PM

Matt Damon is terrified of Sarah Palin apparently..

Let me ask this then......is it any more scary than a peanut farmer becoming President?! :) Personally, I think it's been pretty scary for the past 8 years that GWB has had the nuclear codes.

I never fail to be amazed how, in US politics, it seems to be perfectly in order to lambast the opposition's personal life. I think private lives have no place in political speeches.

Following on from my earlier post, as above........"Pigs and lipstick"? I rest my case.

How about discussing some of the relevant issues instead of engaging in playground insults?

teentitan

09-11-2008, 02:20 PM

But that is the problem Gollanth when someone does try to bring up the relevant issues it is always spun back to playground insults. As I have said before when an individual does want to know more they are labeled immediately and riducled by the media or the politicians themselves. Politics is no longer about 'issues' it's all about popularity.
I am an advocate for Canadian Veterans. I openly on Parliament Hill in Ottawa last September went after the bureaucrats for implementing a policy that took money away from injured veterans. I was asked why not go after the politicians by a reporter. I said it was a waste of time because the politician in charge of Veterans Affairs has a political staff of 6 whereas the bureaucrats have a staff of 4000 so who do you think knows the answers and makes the policies? So how far would I get attacking the politician?
I'm sad to say that is the way of politics now. Nameless, faceless bureaucrats make the rules and pull the strings of the politician at the microphone in front of the tv camera.
Each party when they are the opposition make grand promises to help you but when they do become the party in charge of the country they renege on that promise. But the party that was in charge who constantly ignored or voted down an issue important to you is now promising you they will help you because they are the opposition wanting to get back in charge. So that is why I say it's the bureaucrats that run politics not the political party you voted for.
So when a Matt Damon openly criticizes a politician it is absolute hilarity to me. Do you think Palin alone will make the decision to push the button?

N4H

09-11-2008, 10:27 PM

Have seen these videos from BarelyPolitical.com? They're addictive. You click one, and you just have to keep going. I didn't say they were good. I said they were addictive. Click one you'll see what I mean.

YouTube - INCREDIBLE McCAIN GIRL - HULK SPOOF

Here's another one that turned out to be kind of prophetic.

YouTube - Obama Girl vs McCain Girl Olympics Part 1

N4H

09-12-2008, 02:57 PM

Speaking of the Matt Damon thing though, it's interesting Damon admits he knows nothing about Palin, then goes on to expound like some sort of expert.

In fact he shows how little he knows when he talks of his concern Palin may believe Dinosaurs were around 4,000 years ago. That particular smear was started on an internet blog as a joke. If Damon watched even CNN he'd know that.

YouTube - CNN defends Palin from false rumors (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaZn1_ZrDPI&eurl=http://newsbusters.org/blogs/warner-todd-huston/2008/09/12/mo-dowd-matt-damon-repeat-nutroots-lie-about-palin)

Then there's the thing about how the Palin story is like a bad Disney movie. Has Damon ever seen Dave where a community organizer, through a series of circumstances involving having the right appearance, and being in the right place at the right time the hero finds hims in a place where he can become President of the United States? Who does that remind you of? He might want to check out The Candidate (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0068334/plotsummary) too.

It's no great trick to compare a movie to a real life event. Calling the movie "bad" doesn't all of a sudden make you an expert on the event you're comparing the movie to.

See there's the problem with taking actor's opinions seriously. They can make silly things seem like they might make some kind of sense (we've all seen the Bourne Identity, right?), but when you stand back from that, and think about what the actor actually said, it's usually pretty dumb.

N4H

09-14-2008, 05:25 PM

You've gotta see this new video. It's just brilliant.

Spread the Lies (http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2008/09/14/sunday-funnies-lying-king-exposes-medias-palin-attacks)

goldenboy

09-15-2008, 09:32 AM

I can't bring myself to sit through a whole SNL ep anymore (since about '97 or so), but this was kinda cute.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnRUKIMegn8

N4H

09-15-2008, 12:14 PM

I see those clowns at NBC have already taken it down from YouTube. You can still see it here though.

Saturday Night Live - Palin / Hillary Open - Video - NBC.com (http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/clips/palin-hillary-open/656281/)

goldenboy

09-18-2008, 09:35 AM

Sarah Palin's accent explained

Posted September 18, 2008 7:30 AM
by Jason George

Have you noticed Gov. Sarah Palin's accent?

If so, you're not alone. Ever since U.S. Sen. John McCain added the Alaska governor to the Republican presidential ticket, Palin's speech pattern and pronunciation have prompted Web and water-cooler conversations.

Some keyboard critics enjoy the sound of Palin's voice; many don't. Fans and foes alike describe it with colorful phrases, such as "a little Minnesota, a little Valley Girl," "an interesting mix of Minnesota, and Mississippi" and "bush-like," as in Native American accents heard in Alaska's bush or remote areas. Many commentators wonder if Palin's voice reflects a true "Alaskan accent."

It does--at least it's one Alaskan accent, said William Labov, a University of Pennsylvania linguistics professor and co-author of the "Atlas of North American English."

"She's a good example of the Northern speech with a Western influence," he added, pointing to several examples, such as Palin's dropping of "g's" from word endings and pronunciation of "terrorist" as two syllables instead of three.

Also, "that 'O' sound is a character in the 'Fargo'-like speech influenced by the German and Scandinavians," he added.

Of course, Alaska's isolation and its large population of transplants from the lower 48 mean that there's not just one state accent. Palin herself was born in Idaho before moving to Alaska as a young child. Except for her infancy, and college stints in Hawaii and Idaho, Palin has lived her whole life in the nation's 49th State.

Not all Alaskans agree that Palin's accent is their own. However, the Anchorage Daily News, Alaska's largest newspaper, chided comedian Robin Williams last week for "apparently [not recognizing] an Alaska accent," as he described Palin as "Tina Fey meets 'Fargo.' "

Fey's take on Palin, during last week's episode of "Saturday Night Live," was brilliant, said Judi Dickerson, a Hollywood dialogue and dialect coach who has worked with numerous A-list actors, including Russell Crowe for the film "Mystery, Alaska."

"It's really making it flat and nasal," she said. "Even to the little mouth purse of self-satisfaction, it was perfect."

Dickerson added that Palin's voice also attracts a listener's ear because it sounds untrained.

"It's difficult for women in a man's world to find a command with their voice without getting labeled as sounding too masculine," she said. "I would help her find the bottom half of her voice."

Palin herself hasn't commented on such assessments directly, but she has admitted--even played up the fact--that her familiarity with speaking on the national stage is limited. Archive clips from the 1980s, when Palin worked as an Anchorage television sports reporter, reveal a voice very much like the one she employs today in her campaigning for the vice presidency.

Through a spokeswoman, Palin did offer her thoughts on Fey's Saturday night impersonation, according to weekend wire reports.

"She thought it was quite funny," said Tracey Schmitt, "particularly because she once dressed up as Tina Fey for Halloween."
Sarah Palin's accent explained: The Swamp (http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/09/sarah_palins_accent_explained.html)

N4H

09-18-2008, 02:47 PM

I get a kick out her accent. I like it. Don't know how I'll feel about it if she hangs around for 4 more years though.

goldenboy

10-02-2008, 02:22 PM

Alright, who's gonna watch the VP debate tonight? Should be interesting. Probably gonna be more entertaining than McCain vs Obama. Biden's kind of a blowhard and a gaffe master, and Palin's...whatever. The hockey mom (who's been totally sheltered and underexposed, overprotected by the McCain campaign).

Gallup (http://www.gallup.com/poll/110917/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Leads-McCain-Points.aspx) says that Obama's been up by 5 pts over McCain the past week with registered voters.

N4H

10-02-2008, 05:19 PM

I'll be watching. All I want is Sarah not to embarrass herself. I'm resolved as to the hopelessness of a Republican win this election. However Sarah with a little seasoning looks like a legitimate presidential candidate next time. I think after 4 years of socialism, providing the US still has open elections in 4 years Sarah Palin will look pretty good.

I won't make the mistake of watching the debate on CNN this time though. Boy! Biased or what.

goldenboy

10-03-2008, 07:26 AM

I listened to about 2/3rds of it on radio, watched the tail end. I thought they both exceeded expectations. Biden was smooth and sounded like he was in command of the facts. No obvious gaffes.

Palin came across as folksy and likable and not afraid to confront Biden on anything, really. She seemed to be trying (maybe a little self consciously) to play to the crowd, rally them to her side. The 'maverick' thing is getting a little old. I think she definitely helped herself after those Charlie Gibson, Katie Couric interviews.

I guess most polls are saying Biden won. FactCheck.org (http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/factchecking_biden-palin_debate.html) has all the facts they got wrong.

N4H

10-03-2008, 10:25 AM

I saw it pretty much the same as you GB. They were both pretty good. It depended on which way you were leaning going into the debate as to which side you saw as the winner.

You could see Biden as knowledgeable, almost professorial, or you could see it as just a lot of political bombast. You could see Palin as Lincolnsian, grassroots, common sense, or see it as merely a savvy media manipulator appealing to the unsophisticated voter. Either way it was fun to watch.

Sarah did re-establish her credibility after the Katie Couric interview though, and she is now emerging from the flood of media smears which greeted her appearance as an acceptable threat. If she does run in the next election she's going to be hard to beat. She was restrained in this election by the restriction of having to yield to McCain's format, and spout the dogma of his platform. Next time though, she'll be running her own campaign.

N4H

10-05-2008, 01:13 AM

I've been noticing more and more how CNN in particular has a bad case of bias for the Democrats. They should put a picture of Obama on their logo.

Check this one out...(Have your finger on the pause button, and count the hands)

YouTube - CNN- Joe Biden Wins by a Significant Margin in Focus Group

goldenboy

10-05-2008, 10:31 AM

That's pretty funny.

This is becoming SNL's bread and butter now.

Saturday Night Live - VP Debate Open: Palin / Biden - Video - NBC.com (http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/clips/vp-debate-open-palin-biden/727421/)

I liked the dig at Gwen Ifill :)

Tina Fey's (mentally challenged) Palin is good, but whoever was doing Biden...what the hell? That guy's clearly not an impersonator. Still pretty funny though.

N4H

10-05-2008, 12:52 PM

Queen Latifah was great as Ifill. On the same page, that CSpan one on the bailout was pretty much dead on too.

goldenboy

10-05-2008, 06:25 PM

Ugh, that C-SPAN one. Almost too sad and pathetic to be funny, but yeah, seemingly pretty accurate.

goldenboy

10-06-2008, 02:59 PM

that CSpan one on the bailout was pretty much dead on too.

Do Facts Matter? (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/10/do_facts_matter.html), Thomas Sowell

Don't know why McCain isn't bringing this stuff up constantly. Palin has better political instincts than he does.

N4H

10-07-2008, 02:00 AM

It raises the question: Do facts matter? Or is Obama's rhetoric and the media's spin enough to make facts irrelevant?

Now this is just an independent observer's opinion, but I'd answer No, and apparently.

They mentioned Barney Frank. Wanna see another fun one?

Media Mum on Barney Frank's Fannie Mae Love Connection (http://www.businessandmedia.org/printer/2008/20080924145932.aspx)

But yeah, if Palin was the lead in this ticket, and wasn't shackled by McCain's platform she could so be kicking butt here. There's so many ways to go after Obama she's not able to use.

goldenboy

10-07-2008, 08:27 AM

Man, Barney Frank really is a clown. A desperate clown.

Frank says GOP housing attacks racially motivated (http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iDfYpI7-fQ5b-OgCp_3P71Lk47vAD93LB5PO0)

NBC has removed the C-SPAN bailout skit from their archives.

Where’d the SNL bailout skit go? Update: Legal threat? (http://hotair.com/archives/2008/10/06/whered-the-snl-bailout-skit-go/)

N4H

10-07-2008, 12:22 PM

That's some pretty fascinating stuff. Loved the link to the Michelle Malkin (http://michellemalkin.com/2008/10/06/the-missing-snl-bailout-skit-and-the-soros-connection/) article on the background to what might be responsible for the bailout skit being removed.

I've noticed that "If you vote Republican, you're a racist" theme in the mainstream media as well. CNN did a week long polemic using it. I never understand why this proposed white vote against blacks is deemed newsworthy, but the black vote which might vote against whitey is viewed as unworthy of discussion. Who's really the racist, when one races concerns can be voiced and another's can't.

(Man I love Firefox. My power went out just as I was about to post this. It comes back. I click restore session, and my post is still there, waiting to be posted.)

N4H

10-07-2008, 04:03 PM

Apparently there are some black Republicans. I like this guy. He's got a whole channel if you want to click his link at YouTube.

YouTube - BTW I'm Voting For Mccain / Palin

N4H

10-08-2008, 04:58 PM

Do Facts Matter? (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/10/do_facts_matter.html), Thomas Sowell

Don't know why McCain isn't bringing this stuff up constantly. Palin has better political instincts than he does.

They should hire this woman to write their speeches.

YouTube - Obama's ACORN Voter Fraud (http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=O6TJpLUOZqo&eurl=http://palintology.com/)

goldenboy

10-16-2008, 12:25 PM

McCain starts to mention ACORN, Ayers, Rezco, etc, etc. Doesn't seem to be having any effect as this point. Seems like Barack's gonna be the new teflon prez of the 21st Century.

Wonder what's gonna become of Joe?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeX3zfvIwAA

He'll be on SNL this weekend I suppose. The MSM will be going into full dirt digging mode on Joe and everyone he knows any second now...

goldenboy

10-16-2008, 09:52 PM

OK, nothing surprising here. Letterman/Leno/Conan do a McCain-is-old joke every show, almost without fail.

Late-Night Comics Skewer Republicans 7-to-1, Study Finds

If you're a fan of Jay Leno or David Letterman, you may already know this: You have to listen to seven Republican jokes for every one the late-night comedians tell about Democrats.

By Jennifer Lawinski

FOXNews.com

Thursday, October 16, 2008

Oct. 16, 2008: In this photo released by CBS, John McCain talks with host David Letterman on the set of "The Late Show with David Letterman."

John McCain returned to "Late Show With David Letterman" Thursday night, appologizing for canceling an appearance three weeks ago, but should the onetime media favorite have been preparing for an ambush?

A study shows the Kings of Late Night are not equal-opportunity destroyers this year when it comes to telling jokes about the candidates for president and vice president -- they're hammering Republicans a stunning seven times more often than they skewer Democrats.

The Center for Media and Public Affairs, a media analysis group, kept a tally of jokes told about the presidential contenders on the "Late Show" and "The Tonight Show With Jay Leno" in the five weeks after McCain chose Sarah Palin to be his running mate and vaulted the little-known Alaska governor into the national spotlight.

The total: Republicans, 286. Democrats, 42.

"Generally the Republicans get targeted much more often than Democrats, but this election is driving it off the charts," said CMPA Executive Director Donald Rieck.

Letterman and Leno told 106 jokes about McCain and 180 about Palin in the 25 shows that aired between Aug. 29, when McCain chose her, and Oct. 2, the date of the vice presidential debate.

Click here to see photos of McCain in the late-nite hot seat.

Barack Obama, who may be Leno's guest next week, was targeted only 26 times -- barely once a night. His gaffe-prone running mate, Joe Biden, who is scheduled to appear on Leno Thursday night, was hit only 16 times, not even one-tenth the number of jokes told about Palin over the five-week period.

McCain's date with Letterman Thursday came after he canceled a scheduled appearance in September, leaving the late-night comedian hopping mad.

"I screwed up," McCain told Letterman on the set when asked about the cancellation. He jokingly said he asked his son in the Marine Corps to FedEx his flak jacket in preparation for the visit Thursday.

Although Letterman said he was "willing to put this behind us," he came after McCain hard with questions. He asked whether Sarah Palin was his first choice as vice president.

"Absolutely," McCain answered.

Letterman repeatedly pressed McCain on her qualifications, asking if he was confident she could lead the country in a time of crisis.

"In all due respect, one of the people I admired most was an obscure governor of a southern state called Arkansas and he turned out to be a fairly successful president," McCain said, complimenting Bill Clinton. "Ronald Reagan was a cowboy, no experience in international affairs. I think she has shown leadership."

The Republican candidate canceled his previous appearance so he could go to Washington to deal with the economic crisis. While recording his show, Letterman learned that McCain was still in New York, doing an interview on the CBS Evening News, and he spent much of his show skewering the Republican who stood him up.

Palin also has taken a big hit from the late-night comedians -- and from Saturday Night Live, where Tina Fey's parody of the vice presidential candidate has skyrocketed the show's ratings. It is rumored that Palin will make an appearance on SNL on Oct. 25.

"Palin's just a bonanza for these guys," said Rieck. "You have a woman who shoots wolves from a helicopter; whether she's a Democrat or Republican, that's just a bonanza. Biden's kind of boring compared to that, isn't he?"

Obama is almost as boring to comedians as Biden, said Robert Thompson, director of the Center for the Study of Popular Television at Syracuse University.

"He is kind of a comedian's worst nightmare," Thompson said. "He doesn't do anything. He doesn't fall down like Gerald Ford did. He's not filled with scandal and isn't a sexual player like Clinton was. He doesn't misspell words like Dan Quayle did.

"The size of his ears is about all they have to work with."

Tim Graham, director of media analysis for Media Research Center, a conservative watchdog group, said the comedians' tendency to avoid mocking Obama comes from a fear of being called racist.

"There is a racial minefield that they're trying to avoid," Graham said. "I think they see Obama as a historic figure, and because he's a historic figure it's like making jokes about Martin Luther King."

Palin, like President Bush, has been pegged as dumb by the comedians, Graham said.

"All of the prejudices that the liberal media elite have towards the hockey mom from Alaska are clearly coming through with these New York-based and LA-based comedians, probably as strong as or more strongly than they're coming across in the news media," he said.

Should Obama win the presidency, his get-out-of-jokes-free card from the late-night comedians will expire, said Thompson, leaving him just as vulnerable as McCain and Palin have been during the election.

"He is by no means a comedian's dream-come-true the way Bill Clinton was," he said. "But you can't be in that office without delivering material people can work with.

"I am convinced that when comedians die and go to heaven, Bill Clinton is still president. When Monica Lewinsky came along, the jokes wrote themselves."

The Associated Press contributed to this report.

Late-Night Comics Skewer Republicans 7-to-1, Study Finds - FOXNews.com Elections (http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/16/late-night-comics-skewer-republicans-seven-study-finds/)

goldenboy

10-17-2008, 09:51 AM

I missed this Al Smith Dinner thing. Good to see this guys attempt some comedy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZcIdZ0m_d8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j82lhqiAF-M

N4H

10-19-2008, 01:40 PM

Howard Stern did a fun one showing how up on the actual issues, and platforms of their candidate Obama supporters are (because as you know with Obama it's all about the issues)...

YouTube - Harlem voters

I don't think it's just a race thing. I bet you could set that experiment up in a white oriented shopping mall in a liberal district and get the same results. I think it's a cult of personality.

Here's a cool vid concerning the cult of personality...

YouTube - Obama Kids

goldenboy

10-21-2008, 12:17 PM

Biden is just kooky. I mean, this is more than likely quite posssible, but why would you shout this from the rooftops? How would these comments help Barack?

JOE D'OH PUTS O IN 'CRISIS' MODE

SAYS WORLD WOULD TEST YOUNG PREZ

By CARL CAMPANILE in Belton, Mo., and GEOFF EARLE in Orlando, Fla.

Joe Biden warned that America's enemies would test Barack Obama with an international crisis within six months if he's elected president - a shocking comment John McCain eagerly pounced on yesterday to claim Obama isn't ready to be commander-in-chief.

"Mark my words," Biden told donors at a Seattle fund-raiser Sunday night.

"It will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama like they did John Kennedy. The world is looking. We're about to elect a brilliant 47-year-old senator president of the United States of America.

"Watch. We're going to have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy.

"And he's going to need help . . . to stand with him. Because it's not going to be apparent initially; it's not going to be apparent that we're right."

McCain treated Biden's comments as a gift while stumping across Missouri yesterday.

"The next president won't have time to get used to the office. We face many challenges here at home and many enemies abroad in this dangerous world," McCain said. "We don't want a president who invites 'testing' from the world at a time when our economy is in crisis and Americans are already fighting two wars."

McCain said it was even "more troubling" that Biden suggested supporters stick by Obama if the actions he takes are wrong or unpopular.

"Senator Obama won't have the right response, and we know that because we've seen the wrong response from him over and over during this campaign," he said.

McCain ally Rudy Giuliani also piled on.

"It has to mean that Joe Biden continues to harbor serious doubts about whether Barack Obama is prepared to be commander in chief," Giuliani said.

The Obama-Biden camp downplayed the Delaware senator's comments.

"With our nation facing two wars and 21st-century threats abroad, Senator Biden referenced the simple fact that history shows presidents face challenges from day one," said campaign spokesman David Wade.

"After eight years of a failed foreign policy, we need Barack Obama's good judgment and steady leadership, not the erratic and ideological Bush-McCain approach," he said.

Obama also announced last night he is canceling campaign events Thursday and Friday to visit his ailing grandmother in Hawaii.

Madelyn Dunham, 85, is at home in Honolulu after being hospitalized late last week, said campaign spokesman Robert Gibbs. He said her situation is "very serious," but didn't disclose her ailment.

Before the announcement, Obama, stumping with Hillary Clinton in Florida - where early voting began today with record crowds heading to the polls and residents waiting hours to cast ballots - invoked a new twist on a famous Ronald Reagan line to criticize GOP handling of the financial crisis.

"At this rate, the question isn't just 'Are you better off than you were four years ago? It's 'Are you better off than you were four weeks ago?' " he told a roaring crowd of 8,000 at George Steinbrenner Stadium in Tampa.

The two also sparred again on taxes.

McCain insisted he was the real tax cutter and hammered Obama again as a socialist-leaning liberal "who wants to redistribute the wealth" by hiking levies on people making more than $250,000 a year and giving breaks to those who pay no taxes.

Obama returned fire.

"John McCain calls that socialism. What he forgets, conveniently, is that just a few years ago, he himself said those Bush tax cuts were irresponsible. He said he couldn't in good conscience support tax cuts where the benefits went to the wealthy at the expense of middle-class Americans," he said.
JOE BIDEN WARNS THAT AMERICAN ENEMIES WILL TEST OBAMA IF ELECTED - New York Post (http://www.nypost.com/seven/10212008/news/politics/joe_doh_puts_o_in_crisis_mode_134547.htm)

N4H

10-21-2008, 01:23 PM

Maybe Biden shouldn't have said that, but I can't help thinking he's going to turn out to be right. The bad guys are going to want to check him out. See how tough he is. They always do. Obama's no Kennedy though, in spite of what Biden says.

goldenboy

10-23-2008, 11:59 AM

Some deranged freak(s) in my adopted state of Minnesota pulled some pre-election hijinks. So, they cite a Biblical verse (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalm%202&version=9;) as they vandalize and threaten. Nice Christian values there...

6 Minnesota politicians' homes defaced

By PATRICIA LOPEZ , Star Tribune

Last update: October 23, 2008 - 11:48 AM

When Laurie Coleman, wife of U.S. Sen. Norm Coleman, hauled her trash to the alley at 7:30 Wednesday morning, a chilling sight greeted her.

Sprayed in black on the wooden siding of the garage behind the couple's St. Paul home, in letters nearly a foot high: "U R A CRIMINAL RESIGN OR ELSE! PSALM 2" On the alley side, "SCUM" was scrawled across both garage stall doors and a wooden partition in between.

The Colemans weren't alone. Vandals struck the garages and homes of five other Minnesota members of Congress late Tuesday or early Wednesday, spray-painting graffiti that called for them to resign and included a biblical reference to "Psalm 2."

In Minneapolis, Sen. Amy Klobuchar went to fetch the newspaper and found that the side of her home had been defaced, as did Kim Ellison, the wife of U.S. Rep. Keith Ellison, also in Minneapolis.

The garages of Rep. Michele Bachmann, of Stillwater; Rep. Jim Ramstad, of Minnetonka, and Rep. John Kline, of Lakeville, also bore similar graffiti.

Klobuchar and Ellison are Democrats; Coleman, Bachmann, Ramstad and Kline are Republicans.

DFL Rep. Betty McCollum, who lives in a St. Paul condominium, did not have her property vandalized -- nor were the homes of representatives in outstate Minnesota.

Peter Panos, spokesman for the St. Paul Police, said the threatening nature of some of the graffiti elevates concerns. "We're looking at this as an actual threat," he said. "We're taking it quite seriously. Vandalism threats are pretty rare in this city."

Police in the different jurisdictions are investigating the incidents and may coordinate their efforts today, Panos said

U.S. Capitol Police spokeswoman Sgt. Kimberly Schneider said that the Capitol Police in Washington are assisting in the investigation. Capitol Police deal regularly with threats to members of Congress or their offices, and could potentially have data from any previous incidents.
6 Minnesota politicians' homes defaced (http://www.startribune.com/politics/state/32329244.html)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jm14aKhzZYM

N4H

10-23-2008, 12:55 PM

This election is getting ugly. Even the kids are feeling it. Did you see this one?

http://s80.photobucket.com/albums/j186/DonaldDouglas/Americaneocon/?action=view&current=6a00e008c6b4e588340105358cb3a8970b-.jpg

She's only 12 years old but Ashleigh Jones is feeling the heat of this election year. ....That’s because the seventh grader at New Smyrna Beach Middle School was called a racist by classmates for wearing a pro-Sarah Palin t-shirt. ...Jones is volunteering at the Republican Headquarters in New Smyrna Beach. The Palin t-shirt was a gift from her fellow volunteers....But when she wore it to school she learned just how tough politics can be....“Some of the students were calling me racist because I was Caucasian,” she said. “I wanted the Caucasian man to win. And I told them that’s not true. It’s my freedom of speech, it’s my opinion.”...Jones' parents say they aren't mad at the school they just want everyone including their daughter to voice their opinion constructively....Officials with Volusia County Schools said there were no referrals or complaints to the office about this incident....Ashleigh said that more of her friends are expressing their views by wearing political t-shirts and she plans to wear hers again

MyFox Orlando | Girl called racist for wearing Palin t-shirt (http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Politics/Detail;jsessionid=1A7CFC10EAFF14BDE52E1866B432CDB6 ?contentId=7664724&version=11&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.14.1&sflg=1)

Or this one...

YouTube - Protestor,Palin T-Shirt,obama,McCain,ACORN,pelosi,